[Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question Public-List Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1

Tue May 26 12:46:07 PDT 2015

can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to get a visual?
Thanks
Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa

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>    1. Re: Standing rigging (Christine + Maurice via Public-List)
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> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400
> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
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> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging
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> Hello again
> 
> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit in the masthead casting.  They are not long enough and too thick.  So i think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose swage eyes and extensions.  Should be better then the current forestay that has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go.
> 
> Thanks for all your help,
> 
> Maurice 
> Avoca #322
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> 
> The swage
> > Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit :
> > 
> > Just a thought...
> > 
> > We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with a
> > swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud for the
> > turnbuckle.  The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the cost
> > of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right length
> > using the old stay as a pattern.  The swageless terminal can be fitted on
> > using a couple of wrenches.  I like them a lot.
> > 
> > On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in
> > addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a
> > furler...
> > 
> > Gord #426 Surprise
> > 
> > 
> >> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Good morning,
> >> 
> >> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club called The
> >> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever you need.
> >> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals.  Hi Mod are not widely
> >> used here on Canada.
> >> 
> >> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't familiar
> >> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam.
> >> 
> >> Gord #426 Surprise.
> >> 
> >> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hello again,
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in.  I guess I have the
> >>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a 7/16
> >>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario.  Otherwise,
> >>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting that
> >>> should work.  I never thought about the staloc will mention that to the
> >>> rigger!  Anyone with more input would be welcomed!
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks all!
> >>> 
> >>> Maurice
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
> >>>> 
> >>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from several years
> >>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to fit
> >>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where the 1/2"
> >>>> pin mounts.  I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the thickness
> >>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of the mast
> >>>> head casting.  The  local riggers were aghast of course, but the remaining
> >>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking strength some
> >>>> felt safe enough doing so.  Couple years later I had the entire mast head
> >>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum tangs for
> >>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head fitting
> >>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new home...
> >>>> 
> >>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the forestry
> >>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed into the to
> >>>> skinny  space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a swivel at
> >>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the vertical
> >>>> plane....
> >>>> 
> >>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be very common
> >>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Glenn B
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Good evening friends
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very common.
> >>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Gord
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging.  I am having the fore stay and
> >>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with thimble
> >>>>>> and nicropress as original.  Rigger is suggesting a toggle on the 1/2 pin
> >>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a universal
> >>>>>> joint.   Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this hardware. My
> >>>>>> Alberg  seems to have the original setup.  Any guidance on how you have
> >>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Maurice 
> >>>>>> Avoca #322
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
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