[Public-List] Cockpit Coaming

Thu Oct 22 10:47:15 PDT 2015

On #262 the winch and its semicircular fiberglass base were ripped from the
coaming and the deck.   Did not get a good look at #244....only saw that
the coaming was missing a piece.  Would guess that its the same issue of
winch and base ripping out of coaming and deck.

Jonathan

P.S.  You've done a beautiful job on Seagrass.  Enjoy reading your blog.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is interesting!
>
> What's the solution? Cleat off the line behind the winch? Did the winch
> base teat out the fasteners from the deck? Or the winch from the base?
>
> Jeff
>
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> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:24 PM, via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Year's ago I ripped the port winch off Carnival Lady US17 at the start of
>> the race. I managed to rip the winch and pedestal off as a single unit. We
>> had to do the entire race with only 1 primary winch. The cockpit was a mess
>> with lines running each and every way. Despite the handicap, we managed
>> third place. After close inspection, the pedestal a was screwed to the deck
>> with wood screws instead of thru-bolted. They were not factory installed
>> rather installed by a previous owner.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM -0700, "Jonathan Bresler via
>> Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> While at the dock before Sunday's races during the Rankin regatta this
>> year, heard that the Albergs where not designed with self-tailing winches
>> in mind.  The stresses on the winch can be too much.  The starboard winch
>> ripped out of #262 some years ago while being raced on the Magothy.  The
>> starboard winch on #244 ripped out this year...perhaps on Saturday during
>> the Rankin regatta.  John Maliszewski would have information about #262.
>> Tim Williams would have information about #244.
>>
>> On #262, the jib cleats are on the coaming, so a different placement will
>> need to be found, unless self-tailers are used.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Please excuse the general mess in the pic, I had just gotten done with
>> > removing the coamings, the winch is just sitting there on deck with the
>> > sheet wrapped around it as a "model" to see if the lead will still be
>> > correct if I choose to go "commando"...looks like I need to bleach out
>> the
>> > lifeline cover too :-)
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yes, the coaming is a separate piece and yes, it is completely closed.
>> > > Here's a pic of what my boat looks like #196 (old non-liner boat) but
>> > yours
>> > > will be similar.
>> > >
>> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/igbrzi0pfakchc7/Cockpit.jpg?dl=0
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Bill Wallace <
>> wayfarer3134 at yahoo.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Do I understand correctly that the cockpit coaming is only a cover
>> over
>> > >> fibreglass, and that the fibreglass actually meets/is closed behind
>> the
>> > >> coamings?  I had always assumed there was actually a gap and that any
>> > water
>> > >> that flowed in behind the comings ended up in the bilge?  I have a
>> newer
>> > >> boat, so I hope the answer is the same.
>> > >>
>> > >> Bill.
>> > >> Chewan, Alberg 30 # 626
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:00 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hey All,
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks to everyone for the responses...I can tell that when you
>> combine
>> > >> the
>> > >> words "exotic" and "boat" in the same sentence, that I'm in for a
>> real
>> > >> treat :-)  I assume I'm looking at about 500 - 600 for teak...I might
>> > >> start
>> > >> looking at alternative species....
>> > >>
>> > >> I was also drooling over some self-tailers last night...but with the
>> > >> engine
>> > >> repair bill coming, those will have to wait.
>> > >>
>> > >> Wes
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Brooke Harwood via Public-List <
>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Warren's does have a great teak choice & a better price last time I
>> > >> > checked.
>> > >> > On Oct 22, 2015 10:51 AM, "Michael Grosh via Public-List" <
>> > >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > If Exotic Lumber doesn't work for you, try Warren's Woodworks off
>> > >> Glebe
>> > >> > > Road Easton. They are right next to the Hinkley repair facility,
>> I
>> > am
>> > >> > sure
>> > >> > > they have teak in all dimensions.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > MichaelGrosh
>> > >> > > #220
>> > >> > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:16 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <
>> > >> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Hi All,
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > This has probably been discussed before...I removed my coamings
>> > (and
>> > >> > > winch
>> > >> > > > pedestals) yesterday and am considered sailing next year
>> "commando
>> > >> > style"
>> > >> > > > without them.  I'll see what my wife thinks. We sail mainly in
>> > >> "daysail
>> > >> > > > mode" so there's no chance of green water rolling into the
>> > >> cockpit.  I
>> > >> > am
>> > >> > > > of the "lean against the lifelines" school of steering to
>> leeward.
>> > >> The
>> > >> > > > boat DOES feel quite different without them.  Feels kinda nice,
>> > >> > actually.
>> > >> > > > That's another discussion....
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > What I DID find is that mine were installed completely "dry"
>> > meaning
>> > >> > > there
>> > >> > > > was no bedding of anything anywhere.  Maybe this was
>> intentional
>> > as
>> > >> the
>> > >> > > > space between the wood and the glass is a great place for
>> trapping
>> > >> > crud.
>> > >> > > > What have others done in this area?  I thought about
>> intentionally
>> > >> > > spacing
>> > >> > > > the wood away with a flat washer and cutting some weeps in
>> along
>> > the
>> > >> > > > bottom?
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Anyone know of a good source for teak?  I have a bandsaw, sabre
>> > saw
>> > >> and
>> > >> > > > router so I can shape and machine, I'll need to get the pieces
>> > >> joined
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > > I
>> > >> > > > don't have access to a jointer.  (I truly miss the one in the
>> > >> boatyard
>> > >> > > that
>> > >> > > > had like an eight foot bed, but those days are gone...)
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Wes
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