[Public-List] Cockpit Coaming

Thu Oct 22 10:50:06 PDT 2015

The way my winch pedestals were fastened to the deck was with some #10s -
maybe six of them.  No fender washers...the attachment to the coaming I
think is three #12s - mine had fender washers there...

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On #262 the winch and its semicircular fiberglass base were ripped from
> the coaming and the deck.   Did not get a good look at #244....only saw
> that the coaming was missing a piece.  Would guess that its the same issue
> of winch and base ripping out of coaming and deck.
>
> Jonathan
>
> P.S.  You've done a beautiful job on Seagrass.  Enjoy reading your blog.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is interesting!
>>
>> What's the solution? Cleat off the line behind the winch? Did the winch
>> base teat out the fasteners from the deck? Or the winch from the base?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> Seagrass. #116
>> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
>> http://sailboatseagrass.com/
>>
>> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:24 PM, via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Year's ago I ripped the port winch off Carnival Lady US17 at the start
>>> of the race. I managed to rip the winch and pedestal off as a single unit.
>>> We had to do the entire race with only 1 primary winch. The cockpit was a
>>> mess with lines running each and every way. Despite the handicap, we
>>> managed third place. After close inspection, the pedestal a was screwed to
>>> the deck with wood screws instead of thru-bolted. They were not factory
>>> installed rather installed by a previous owner.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent by Outlook for Android
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM -0700, "Jonathan Bresler via
>>> Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> While at the dock before Sunday's races during the Rankin regatta this
>>> year, heard that the Albergs where not designed with self-tailing winches
>>> in mind.  The stresses on the winch can be too much.  The starboard winch
>>> ripped out of #262 some years ago while being raced on the Magothy.  The
>>> starboard winch on #244 ripped out this year...perhaps on Saturday during
>>> the Rankin regatta.  John Maliszewski would have information about #262.
>>> Tim Williams would have information about #244.
>>>
>>> On #262, the jib cleats are on the coaming, so a different placement will
>>> need to be found, unless self-tailers are used.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Please excuse the general mess in the pic, I had just gotten done with
>>> > removing the coamings, the winch is just sitting there on deck with the
>>> > sheet wrapped around it as a "model" to see if the lead will still be
>>> > correct if I choose to go "commando"...looks like I need to bleach out
>>> the
>>> > lifeline cover too :-)
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Wes Gardner <
>>> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Yes, the coaming is a separate piece and yes, it is completely
>>> closed.
>>> > > Here's a pic of what my boat looks like #196 (old non-liner boat) but
>>> > yours
>>> > > will be similar.
>>> > >
>>> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/igbrzi0pfakchc7/Cockpit.jpg?dl=0
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Bill Wallace <
>>> wayfarer3134 at yahoo.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Do I understand correctly that the cockpit coaming is only a cover
>>> over
>>> > >> fibreglass, and that the fibreglass actually meets/is closed behind
>>> the
>>> > >> coamings?  I had always assumed there was actually a gap and that
>>> any
>>> > water
>>> > >> that flowed in behind the comings ended up in the bilge?  I have a
>>> newer
>>> > >> boat, so I hope the answer is the same.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Bill.
>>> > >> Chewan, Alberg 30 # 626
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:00 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List
>>> <
>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hey All,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks to everyone for the responses...I can tell that when you
>>> combine
>>> > >> the
>>> > >> words "exotic" and "boat" in the same sentence, that I'm in for a
>>> real
>>> > >> treat :-)  I assume I'm looking at about 500 - 600 for teak...I
>>> might
>>> > >> start
>>> > >> looking at alternative species....
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I was also drooling over some self-tailers last night...but with the
>>> > >> engine
>>> > >> repair bill coming, those will have to wait.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wes
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Brooke Harwood via Public-List <
>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > Warren's does have a great teak choice & a better price last time
>>> I
>>> > >> > checked.
>>> > >> > On Oct 22, 2015 10:51 AM, "Michael Grosh via Public-List" <
>>> > >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > > If Exotic Lumber doesn't work for you, try Warren's Woodworks
>>> off
>>> > >> Glebe
>>> > >> > > Road Easton. They are right next to the Hinkley repair
>>> facility, I
>>> > am
>>> > >> > sure
>>> > >> > > they have teak in all dimensions.
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > MichaelGrosh
>>> > >> > > #220
>>> > >> > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:16 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <
>>> > >> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> > >> > >
>>> > >> > > > Hi All,
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > This has probably been discussed before...I removed my
>>> coamings
>>> > (and
>>> > >> > > winch
>>> > >> > > > pedestals) yesterday and am considered sailing next year
>>> "commando
>>> > >> > style"
>>> > >> > > > without them.  I'll see what my wife thinks. We sail mainly in
>>> > >> "daysail
>>> > >> > > > mode" so there's no chance of green water rolling into the
>>> > >> cockpit.  I
>>> > >> > am
>>> > >> > > > of the "lean against the lifelines" school of steering to
>>> leeward.
>>> > >> The
>>> > >> > > > boat DOES feel quite different without them.  Feels kinda
>>> nice,
>>> > >> > actually.
>>> > >> > > > That's another discussion....
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > What I DID find is that mine were installed completely "dry"
>>> > meaning
>>> > >> > > there
>>> > >> > > > was no bedding of anything anywhere.  Maybe this was
>>> intentional
>>> > as
>>> > >> the
>>> > >> > > > space between the wood and the glass is a great place for
>>> trapping
>>> > >> > crud.
>>> > >> > > > What have others done in this area?  I thought about
>>> intentionally
>>> > >> > > spacing
>>> > >> > > > the wood away with a flat washer and cutting some weeps in
>>> along
>>> > the
>>> > >> > > > bottom?
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Anyone know of a good source for teak?  I have a bandsaw,
>>> sabre
>>> > saw
>>> > >> and
>>> > >> > > > router so I can shape and machine, I'll need to get the pieces
>>> > >> joined
>>> > >> > as
>>> > >> > > I
>>> > >> > > > don't have access to a jointer.  (I truly miss the one in the
>>> > >> boatyard
>>> > >> > > that
>>> > >> > > > had like an eight foot bed, but those days are gone...)
>>> > >> > > >
>>> > >> > > > Wes
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>>
>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>
>> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
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>
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> Jonathan M Bresler
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