[Public-List] Cockpit Coaming

Thu Oct 22 10:58:15 PDT 2015

The attachment of the pedestal to the deck I think on mine was
original...you all may want to consider upgrading to 1/4/20s with some
fender washers at least...I know I will if a go back with the coamings...

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The way my winch pedestals were fastened to the deck was with some #10s -
> maybe six of them.  No fender washers...the attachment to the coaming I
> think is three #12s - mine had fender washers there...
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On #262 the winch and its semicircular fiberglass base were ripped from
>> the coaming and the deck.   Did not get a good look at #244....only saw
>> that the coaming was missing a piece.  Would guess that its the same issue
>> of winch and base ripping out of coaming and deck.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> P.S.  You've done a beautiful job on Seagrass.  Enjoy reading your blog.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is interesting!
>>>
>>> What's the solution? Cleat off the line behind the winch? Did the winch
>>> base teat out the fasteners from the deck? Or the winch from the base?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seagrass. #116
>>> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
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>>>
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>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:24 PM, via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Year's ago I ripped the port winch off Carnival Lady US17 at the start
>>>> of the race. I managed to rip the winch and pedestal off as a single unit.
>>>> We had to do the entire race with only 1 primary winch. The cockpit was a
>>>> mess with lines running each and every way. Despite the handicap, we
>>>> managed third place. After close inspection, the pedestal a was screwed to
>>>> the deck with wood screws instead of thru-bolted. They were not factory
>>>> installed rather installed by a previous owner.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent by Outlook for Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM -0700, "Jonathan Bresler via
>>>> Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> While at the dock before Sunday's races during the Rankin regatta this
>>>> year, heard that the Albergs where not designed with self-tailing
>>>> winches
>>>> in mind.  The stresses on the winch can be too much.  The starboard
>>>> winch
>>>> ripped out of #262 some years ago while being raced on the Magothy.  The
>>>> starboard winch on #244 ripped out this year...perhaps on Saturday
>>>> during
>>>> the Rankin regatta.  John Maliszewski would have information about #262.
>>>> Tim Williams would have information about #244.
>>>>
>>>> On #262, the jib cleats are on the coaming, so a different placement
>>>> will
>>>> need to be found, unless self-tailers are used.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Please excuse the general mess in the pic, I had just gotten done with
>>>> > removing the coamings, the winch is just sitting there on deck with
>>>> the
>>>> > sheet wrapped around it as a "model" to see if the lead will still be
>>>> > correct if I choose to go "commando"...looks like I need to bleach
>>>> out the
>>>> > lifeline cover too :-)
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Wes Gardner <
>>>> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Yes, the coaming is a separate piece and yes, it is completely
>>>> closed.
>>>> > > Here's a pic of what my boat looks like #196 (old non-liner boat)
>>>> but
>>>> > yours
>>>> > > will be similar.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/igbrzi0pfakchc7/Cockpit.jpg?dl=0
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Bill Wallace <
>>>> wayfarer3134 at yahoo.com>
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> Do I understand correctly that the cockpit coaming is only a cover
>>>> over
>>>> > >> fibreglass, and that the fibreglass actually meets/is closed
>>>> behind the
>>>> > >> coamings?  I had always assumed there was actually a gap and that
>>>> any
>>>> > water
>>>> > >> that flowed in behind the comings ended up in the bilge?  I have a
>>>> newer
>>>> > >> boat, so I hope the answer is the same.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Bill.
>>>> > >> Chewan, Alberg 30 # 626
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:00 PM, Wes Gardner via
>>>> Public-List <
>>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Hey All,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Thanks to everyone for the responses...I can tell that when you
>>>> combine
>>>> > >> the
>>>> > >> words "exotic" and "boat" in the same sentence, that I'm in for a
>>>> real
>>>> > >> treat :-)  I assume I'm looking at about 500 - 600 for teak...I
>>>> might
>>>> > >> start
>>>> > >> looking at alternative species....
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> I was also drooling over some self-tailers last night...but with
>>>> the
>>>> > >> engine
>>>> > >> repair bill coming, those will have to wait.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Wes
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Brooke Harwood via Public-List <
>>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> > Warren's does have a great teak choice & a better price last
>>>> time I
>>>> > >> > checked.
>>>> > >> > On Oct 22, 2015 10:51 AM, "Michael Grosh via Public-List" <
>>>> > >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> > > If Exotic Lumber doesn't work for you, try Warren's Woodworks
>>>> off
>>>> > >> Glebe
>>>> > >> > > Road Easton. They are right next to the Hinkley repair
>>>> facility, I
>>>> > am
>>>> > >> > sure
>>>> > >> > > they have teak in all dimensions.
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > MichaelGrosh
>>>> > >> > > #220
>>>> > >> > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:16 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <
>>>> > >> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> > >> > >
>>>> > >> > > > Hi All,
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > > This has probably been discussed before...I removed my
>>>> coamings
>>>> > (and
>>>> > >> > > winch
>>>> > >> > > > pedestals) yesterday and am considered sailing next year
>>>> "commando
>>>> > >> > style"
>>>> > >> > > > without them.  I'll see what my wife thinks. We sail mainly
>>>> in
>>>> > >> "daysail
>>>> > >> > > > mode" so there's no chance of green water rolling into the
>>>> > >> cockpit.  I
>>>> > >> > am
>>>> > >> > > > of the "lean against the lifelines" school of steering to
>>>> leeward.
>>>> > >> The
>>>> > >> > > > boat DOES feel quite different without them.  Feels kinda
>>>> nice,
>>>> > >> > actually.
>>>> > >> > > > That's another discussion....
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > > What I DID find is that mine were installed completely "dry"
>>>> > meaning
>>>> > >> > > there
>>>> > >> > > > was no bedding of anything anywhere.  Maybe this was
>>>> intentional
>>>> > as
>>>> > >> the
>>>> > >> > > > space between the wood and the glass is a great place for
>>>> trapping
>>>> > >> > crud.
>>>> > >> > > > What have others done in this area?  I thought about
>>>> intentionally
>>>> > >> > > spacing
>>>> > >> > > > the wood away with a flat washer and cutting some weeps in
>>>> along
>>>> > the
>>>> > >> > > > bottom?
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > > Anyone know of a good source for teak?  I have a bandsaw,
>>>> sabre
>>>> > saw
>>>> > >> and
>>>> > >> > > > router so I can shape and machine, I'll need to get the
>>>> pieces
>>>> > >> joined
>>>> > >> > as
>>>> > >> > > I
>>>> > >> > > > don't have access to a jointer.  (I truly miss the one in the
>>>> > >> boatyard
>>>> > >> > > that
>>>> > >> > > > had like an eight foot bed, but those days are gone...)
>>>> > >> > > >
>>>> > >> > > > Wes
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>>
>>
>>
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>> Jonathan M Bresler
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