[Public-List] Cockpit Coaming

Jeffrey via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Thu Oct 22 11:07:25 PDT 2015 

Wow. I guess I could see it happening. I'm fairly certain I added fender
washers under my pedestal bolts, but will be sure to check what I've got.

This never crossed my mind.

Thanks!

Jeff



Seagrass. #116
Boothbay Harbor, Maine
http://sailboatseagrass.com/

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The attachment of the pedestal to the deck I think on mine was
> original...you all may want to consider upgrading to 1/4/20s with some
> fender washers at least...I know I will if a go back with the coamings...
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The way my winch pedestals were fastened to the deck was with some #10s -
>> maybe six of them.  No fender washers...the attachment to the coaming I
>> think is three #12s - mine had fender washers there...
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On #262 the winch and its semicircular fiberglass base were ripped from
>>> the coaming and the deck.   Did not get a good look at #244....only saw
>>> that the coaming was missing a piece.  Would guess that its the same issue
>>> of winch and base ripping out of coaming and deck.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> P.S.  You've done a beautiful job on Seagrass.  Enjoy reading your blog.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is interesting!
>>>>
>>>> What's the solution? Cleat off the line behind the winch? Did the winch
>>>> base teat out the fasteners from the deck? Or the winch from the base?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seagrass. #116
>>>> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
>>>> http://sailboatseagrass.com/
>>>>
>>>> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:24 PM, via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Year's ago I ripped the port winch off Carnival Lady US17 at the start
>>>>> of the race. I managed to rip the winch and pedestal off as a single unit.
>>>>> We had to do the entire race with only 1 primary winch. The cockpit was a
>>>>> mess with lines running each and every way. Despite the handicap, we
>>>>> managed third place. After close inspection, the pedestal a was screwed to
>>>>> the deck with wood screws instead of thru-bolted. They were not factory
>>>>> installed rather installed by a previous owner.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent by Outlook for Android
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM -0700, "Jonathan Bresler via
>>>>> Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> While at the dock before Sunday's races during the Rankin regatta this
>>>>> year, heard that the Albergs where not designed with self-tailing
>>>>> winches
>>>>> in mind.  The stresses on the winch can be too much.  The starboard
>>>>> winch
>>>>> ripped out of #262 some years ago while being raced on the Magothy.
>>>>> The
>>>>> starboard winch on #244 ripped out this year...perhaps on Saturday
>>>>> during
>>>>> the Rankin regatta.  John Maliszewski would have information about
>>>>> #262.
>>>>> Tim Williams would have information about #244.
>>>>>
>>>>> On #262, the jib cleats are on the coaming, so a different placement
>>>>> will
>>>>> need to be found, unless self-tailers are used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Please excuse the general mess in the pic, I had just gotten done
>>>>> with
>>>>> > removing the coamings, the winch is just sitting there on deck with
>>>>> the
>>>>> > sheet wrapped around it as a "model" to see if the lead will still be
>>>>> > correct if I choose to go "commando"...looks like I need to bleach
>>>>> out the
>>>>> > lifeline cover too :-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Wes Gardner <
>>>>> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Yes, the coaming is a separate piece and yes, it is completely
>>>>> closed.
>>>>> > > Here's a pic of what my boat looks like #196 (old non-liner boat)
>>>>> but
>>>>> > yours
>>>>> > > will be similar.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/igbrzi0pfakchc7/Cockpit.jpg?dl=0
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Bill Wallace <
>>>>> wayfarer3134 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> Do I understand correctly that the cockpit coaming is only a
>>>>> cover over
>>>>> > >> fibreglass, and that the fibreglass actually meets/is closed
>>>>> behind the
>>>>> > >> coamings?  I had always assumed there was actually a gap and that
>>>>> any
>>>>> > water
>>>>> > >> that flowed in behind the comings ended up in the bilge?  I have
>>>>> a newer
>>>>> > >> boat, so I hope the answer is the same.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Bill.
>>>>> > >> Chewan, Alberg 30 # 626
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:00 PM, Wes Gardner via
>>>>> Public-List <
>>>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Hey All,
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Thanks to everyone for the responses...I can tell that when you
>>>>> combine
>>>>> > >> the
>>>>> > >> words "exotic" and "boat" in the same sentence, that I'm in for a
>>>>> real
>>>>> > >> treat :-)  I assume I'm looking at about 500 - 600 for teak...I
>>>>> might
>>>>> > >> start
>>>>> > >> looking at alternative species....
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> I was also drooling over some self-tailers last night...but with
>>>>> the
>>>>> > >> engine
>>>>> > >> repair bill coming, those will have to wait.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Wes
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Brooke Harwood via Public-List <
>>>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> > Warren's does have a great teak choice & a better price last
>>>>> time I
>>>>> > >> > checked.
>>>>> > >> > On Oct 22, 2015 10:51 AM, "Michael Grosh via Public-List" <
>>>>> > >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > > If Exotic Lumber doesn't work for you, try Warren's Woodworks
>>>>> off
>>>>> > >> Glebe
>>>>> > >> > > Road Easton. They are right next to the Hinkley repair
>>>>> facility, I
>>>>> > am
>>>>> > >> > sure
>>>>> > >> > > they have teak in all dimensions.
>>>>> > >> > >
>>>>> > >> > > MichaelGrosh
>>>>> > >> > > #220
>>>>> > >> > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:16 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <
>>>>> > >> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >> > >
>>>>> > >> > > > Hi All,
>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>> > >> > > > This has probably been discussed before...I removed my
>>>>> coamings
>>>>> > (and
>>>>> > >> > > winch
>>>>> > >> > > > pedestals) yesterday and am considered sailing next year
>>>>> "commando
>>>>> > >> > style"
>>>>> > >> > > > without them.  I'll see what my wife thinks. We sail mainly
>>>>> in
>>>>> > >> "daysail
>>>>> > >> > > > mode" so there's no chance of green water rolling into the
>>>>> > >> cockpit.  I
>>>>> > >> > am
>>>>> > >> > > > of the "lean against the lifelines" school of steering to
>>>>> leeward.
>>>>> > >> The
>>>>> > >> > > > boat DOES feel quite different without them.  Feels kinda
>>>>> nice,
>>>>> > >> > actually.
>>>>> > >> > > > That's another discussion....
>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>> > >> > > > What I DID find is that mine were installed completely "dry"
>>>>> > meaning
>>>>> > >> > > there
>>>>> > >> > > > was no bedding of anything anywhere.  Maybe this was
>>>>> intentional
>>>>> > as
>>>>> > >> the
>>>>> > >> > > > space between the wood and the glass is a great place for
>>>>> trapping
>>>>> > >> > crud.
>>>>> > >> > > > What have others done in this area?  I thought about
>>>>> intentionally
>>>>> > >> > > spacing
>>>>> > >> > > > the wood away with a flat washer and cutting some weeps in
>>>>> along
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > >> > > > bottom?
>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>> > >> > > > Anyone know of a good source for teak?  I have a bandsaw,
>>>>> sabre
>>>>> > saw
>>>>> > >> and
>>>>> > >> > > > router so I can shape and machine, I'll need to get the
>>>>> pieces
>>>>> > >> joined
>>>>> > >> > as
>>>>> > >> > > I
>>>>> > >> > > > don't have access to a jointer.  (I truly miss the one in
>>>>> the
>>>>> > >> boatyard
>>>>> > >> > > that
>>>>> > >> > > > had like an eight foot bed, but those days are gone...)
>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>> > >> > > > Wes
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>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>>>
>>>> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Jonathan M Bresler
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>>
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