[Public-List] Cockpit Coaming

Wes Gardner via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Thu Oct 22 12:35:29 PDT 2015 

Before this thread, yesterday when I was taking the pedestals off I was
thinking to myself, gee, the layup for the actual pedestal seems stout
enough but gee, it's only secured to the deck with those little #10s and
yikes! no fender washers on the backside.  Then I wondered if those could
rip off the deck...I guess I know the answer now...hope no one was injured
in either of those mishaps !

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow. I guess I could see it happening. I'm fairly certain I added fender
> washers under my pedestal bolts, but will be sure to check what I've got.
>
> This never crossed my mind.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Seagrass. #116
> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
> http://sailboatseagrass.com/
>
> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
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> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The attachment of the pedestal to the deck I think on mine was
>> original...you all may want to consider upgrading to 1/4/20s with some
>> fender washers at least...I know I will if a go back with the coamings...
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The way my winch pedestals were fastened to the deck was with some #10s
>>> - maybe six of them.  No fender washers...the attachment to the coaming I
>>> think is three #12s - mine had fender washers there...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On #262 the winch and its semicircular fiberglass base were ripped from
>>>> the coaming and the deck.   Did not get a good look at #244....only saw
>>>> that the coaming was missing a piece.  Would guess that its the same issue
>>>> of winch and base ripping out of coaming and deck.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> P.S.  You've done a beautiful job on Seagrass.  Enjoy reading your blog.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is interesting!
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the solution? Cleat off the line behind the winch? Did the
>>>>> winch base teat out the fasteners from the deck? Or the winch from the base?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seagrass. #116
>>>>> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
>>>>> http://sailboatseagrass.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:24 PM, via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Year's ago I ripped the port winch off Carnival Lady US17 at the
>>>>>> start of the race. I managed to rip the winch and pedestal off as a single
>>>>>> unit. We had to do the entire race with only 1 primary winch. The cockpit
>>>>>> was a mess with lines running each and every way. Despite the handicap, we
>>>>>> managed third place. After close inspection, the pedestal a was screwed to
>>>>>> the deck with wood screws instead of thru-bolted. They were not factory
>>>>>> installed rather installed by a previous owner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent by Outlook for Android
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM -0700, "Jonathan Bresler via
>>>>>> Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>> While at the dock before Sunday's races during the Rankin regatta this
>>>>>> year, heard that the Albergs where not designed with self-tailing
>>>>>> winches
>>>>>> in mind.  The stresses on the winch can be too much.  The starboard
>>>>>> winch
>>>>>> ripped out of #262 some years ago while being raced on the Magothy.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> starboard winch on #244 ripped out this year...perhaps on Saturday
>>>>>> during
>>>>>> the Rankin regatta.  John Maliszewski would have information about
>>>>>> #262.
>>>>>> Tim Williams would have information about #244.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On #262, the jib cleats are on the coaming, so a different placement
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> need to be found, unless self-tailers are used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Please excuse the general mess in the pic, I had just gotten done
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> > removing the coamings, the winch is just sitting there on deck with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > sheet wrapped around it as a "model" to see if the lead will still
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> > correct if I choose to go "commando"...looks like I need to bleach
>>>>>> out the
>>>>>> > lifeline cover too :-)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Wes Gardner <
>>>>>> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Yes, the coaming is a separate piece and yes, it is completely
>>>>>> closed.
>>>>>> > > Here's a pic of what my boat looks like #196 (old non-liner boat)
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> > yours
>>>>>> > > will be similar.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/igbrzi0pfakchc7/Cockpit.jpg?dl=0
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Bill Wallace <
>>>>>> wayfarer3134 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> Do I understand correctly that the cockpit coaming is only a
>>>>>> cover over
>>>>>> > >> fibreglass, and that the fibreglass actually meets/is closed
>>>>>> behind the
>>>>>> > >> coamings?  I had always assumed there was actually a gap and
>>>>>> that any
>>>>>> > water
>>>>>> > >> that flowed in behind the comings ended up in the bilge?  I have
>>>>>> a newer
>>>>>> > >> boat, so I hope the answer is the same.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Bill.
>>>>>> > >> Chewan, Alberg 30 # 626
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:00 PM, Wes Gardner via
>>>>>> Public-List <
>>>>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Hey All,
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Thanks to everyone for the responses...I can tell that when you
>>>>>> combine
>>>>>> > >> the
>>>>>> > >> words "exotic" and "boat" in the same sentence, that I'm in for
>>>>>> a real
>>>>>> > >> treat :-)  I assume I'm looking at about 500 - 600 for teak...I
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> > >> start
>>>>>> > >> looking at alternative species....
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> I was also drooling over some self-tailers last night...but with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > >> engine
>>>>>> > >> repair bill coming, those will have to wait.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Wes
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Brooke Harwood via Public-List
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> > Warren's does have a great teak choice & a better price last
>>>>>> time I
>>>>>> > >> > checked.
>>>>>> > >> > On Oct 22, 2015 10:51 AM, "Michael Grosh via Public-List" <
>>>>>> > >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > > If Exotic Lumber doesn't work for you, try Warren's
>>>>>> Woodworks off
>>>>>> > >> Glebe
>>>>>> > >> > > Road Easton. They are right next to the Hinkley repair
>>>>>> facility, I
>>>>>> > am
>>>>>> > >> > sure
>>>>>> > >> > > they have teak in all dimensions.
>>>>>> > >> > >
>>>>>> > >> > > MichaelGrosh
>>>>>> > >> > > #220
>>>>>> > >> > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:16 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <
>>>>>> > >> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> > >
>>>>>> > >> > > > Hi All,
>>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>>> > >> > > > This has probably been discussed before...I removed my
>>>>>> coamings
>>>>>> > (and
>>>>>> > >> > > winch
>>>>>> > >> > > > pedestals) yesterday and am considered sailing next year
>>>>>> "commando
>>>>>> > >> > style"
>>>>>> > >> > > > without them.  I'll see what my wife thinks. We sail
>>>>>> mainly in
>>>>>> > >> "daysail
>>>>>> > >> > > > mode" so there's no chance of green water rolling into the
>>>>>> > >> cockpit.  I
>>>>>> > >> > am
>>>>>> > >> > > > of the "lean against the lifelines" school of steering to
>>>>>> leeward.
>>>>>> > >> The
>>>>>> > >> > > > boat DOES feel quite different without them.  Feels kinda
>>>>>> nice,
>>>>>> > >> > actually.
>>>>>> > >> > > > That's another discussion....
>>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>>> > >> > > > What I DID find is that mine were installed completely
>>>>>> "dry"
>>>>>> > meaning
>>>>>> > >> > > there
>>>>>> > >> > > > was no bedding of anything anywhere.  Maybe this was
>>>>>> intentional
>>>>>> > as
>>>>>> > >> the
>>>>>> > >> > > > space between the wood and the glass is a great place for
>>>>>> trapping
>>>>>> > >> > crud.
>>>>>> > >> > > > What have others done in this area?  I thought about
>>>>>> intentionally
>>>>>> > >> > > spacing
>>>>>> > >> > > > the wood away with a flat washer and cutting some weeps in
>>>>>> along
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > >> > > > bottom?
>>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>>> > >> > > > Anyone know of a good source for teak?  I have a bandsaw,
>>>>>> sabre
>>>>>> > saw
>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>> > >> > > > router so I can shape and machine, I'll need to get the
>>>>>> pieces
>>>>>> > >> joined
>>>>>> > >> > as
>>>>>> > >> > > I
>>>>>> > >> > > > don't have access to a jointer.  (I truly miss the one in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > >> boatyard
>>>>>> > >> > > that
>>>>>> > >> > > > had like an eight foot bed, but those days are gone...)
>>>>>> > >> > > >
>>>>>> > >> > > > Wes
>>>>>> > >> > > > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ______________
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>>> Alberg 30 #262
>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>>>
>>>
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