[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3199, Issue 2

Sun Feb 14 07:42:12 PST 2016

One can reference plumb/vertical by attaching a weight to the main halyard
and using it as a plumb bob.

Charleie
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> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 08:31:33 -0500
> From: Greg Bover via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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> Subject: [Public-List] Mast Rake
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> Use your main halyard as a plumb bob.
>
> > I was wondering if someone would clarify for me what "vertical" means on
> a
> sailboat which doesn't have any reference lines (except perhaps the vague
> plane of the waterline). If you are setting the mast rake wrt the
> waterline,
> how do you assess this angle (since it is difficult to see the waterline
> from the deck where a person is making the adjustments). Maybe Instead you
> establish this angle wrt the lowers? (splitting the angle?) Or maybe on a
> calm day afar with a level while the boat is afloat? Or maybe just trial
> and
> error???
>
>
>
>
>
> Greg Bover
> A-30 #114
> PENSIVE FLYER
> Gloucester
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 08:46:19 -0500
> From: Anders Bro via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Greg Bover <gregbover at cbfisk.com>,  Alberg 30 Public List -- open
>         to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
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> Now why didn't I think of that? (I guess I just don't think?)
> Thanks,
> Anders
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 14, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Greg Bover via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Use your main halyard as a plumb bob.
> >
> >> I was wondering if someone would clarify for me what "vertical" means
> on a
> > sailboat which doesn't have any reference lines (except perhaps the vague
> > plane of the waterline). If you are setting the mast rake wrt the
> waterline,
> > how do you assess this angle (since it is difficult to see the waterline
> > from the deck where a person is making the adjustments). Maybe Instead
> you
> > establish this angle wrt the lowers? (splitting the angle?) Or maybe on a
> > calm day afar with a level while the boat is afloat? Or maybe just trial
> and
> > error???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg Bover
> > A-30 #114
> > PENSIVE FLYER
> > Gloucester
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:01:52 -0500
> From: John Birch via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
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> 90 degrees to the water. Hang the loose main halyard down, sometimes a
> light
> weight is required to get it to act like a plumb bob. It should not be
> hanging aft of the mast. If it is, that is rake. The more it hangs aft of
> the mast, the more rake. The more rake, the more load being put on the aft
> part of the mast step which is not particularly well supported as it is not
> over the mast beam.
>
> Cheers,
>
> JB
>
> Re:
>
> I remember our A-30 had this problem (KC-544) until we started tuning our
> rig like the Chesapeake racers. Mast vertical, no rake, or virtually no
> rake. That took the loading off the deck at the back of the mast foot,
> which
> is not supported particularly well by the Aluminium deck beam, putting most
> of the downward force under the front of the mast step directly over the
> deck beam.
>
> Problem solved. Our decks were dry with no delam. It was a simple
> compression issue on the back of the step.
>
> Hope that is a help.
>
> Cheers from Western Lake Ontario, y'all
>
> JB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anders Bro via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: "Greg Bover" <gregbover at cbfisk.com>; "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to
> all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
>
>
> > Now why didn't I think of that? (I guess I just don't think?)
> > Thanks,
> > Anders
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 14, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Greg Bover via Public-List
> >> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Use your main halyard as a plumb bob.
> >>
> >>> I was wondering if someone would clarify for me what "vertical" means
> on
> >>> a
> >> sailboat which doesn't have any reference lines (except perhaps the
> vague
> >> plane of the waterline). If you are setting the mast rake wrt the
> >> waterline,
> >> how do you assess this angle (since it is difficult to see the waterline
> >> from the deck where a person is making the adjustments). Maybe Instead
> >> you
> >> establish this angle wrt the lowers? (splitting the angle?) Or maybe on
> a
> >> calm day afar with a level while the boat is afloat? Or maybe just trial
> >> and
> >> error???
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Greg Bover
> >> A-30 #114
> >> PENSIVE FLYER
> >> Gloucester
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:22:12 -0500
> From: Lawrence Morris via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>,    Alberg 30 Public List -- open to
>         all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
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> The plumb bob is a reference.  Just be careful that big uncle frank is not
> standing in the cockpit at the time or on the bow.
>
> The best method is to measure the back stay with the measuring tape
> hoisted with main halyard.  I don't remember the measurement, but I am sure
> it is on the website somewhere.  George, help!!!!
>
>
>
> Larry
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:01 AM, John Birch via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > 90 degrees to the water. Hang the loose main halyard down, sometimes a
> light weight is required to get it to act like a plumb bob. It should not
> be hanging aft of the mast. If it is, that is rake. The more it hangs aft
> of the mast, the more rake. The more rake, the more load being put on the
> aft part of the mast step which is not particularly well supported as it is
> not over the mast beam.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > JB
> >
> > Re:
> >
> > I remember our A-30 had this problem (KC-544) until we started tuning
> our rig like the Chesapeake racers. Mast vertical, no rake, or virtually no
> rake. That took the loading off the deck at the back of the mast foot,
> which is not supported particularly well by the Aluminium deck beam,
> putting most of the downward force under the front of the mast step
> directly over the deck beam.
> >
> > Problem solved. Our decks were dry with no delam. It was a simple
> compression issue on the back of the step.
> >
> > Hope that is a help.
> >
> > Cheers from Western Lake Ontario, y'all
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Bro via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > To: "Greg Bover" <gregbover at cbfisk.com>; "Alberg 30 Public List -- open
> to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
> >
> >
> >> Now why didn't I think of that? (I guess I just don't think?)
> >> Thanks,
> >> Anders
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Greg Bover via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Use your main halyard as a plumb bob.
> >>>
> >>>> I was wondering if someone would clarify for me what "vertical" means
> on a
> >>> sailboat which doesn't have any reference lines (except perhaps the
> vague
> >>> plane of the waterline). If you are setting the mast rake wrt the
> waterline,
> >>> how do you assess this angle (since it is difficult to see the
> waterline
> >>> from the deck where a person is making the adjustments). Maybe Instead
> you
> >>> establish this angle wrt the lowers? (splitting the angle?) Or maybe
> on a
> >>> calm day afar with a level while the boat is afloat? Or maybe just
> trial and
> >>> error???
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Greg Bover
> >>> A-30 #114
> >>> PENSIVE FLYER
> >>> Gloucester
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:26:56 -0500
> From: Jeffrey via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Lawrence Morris <morris.lc at verizon.net>,    Alberg 30 Public List --
>         open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
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> If 90 degrees to the water is the goal, then why not just hold a 48"
> carpenters level up against the mast?
>
> Not that I've done this. I usually use the halyard plumbob trick.
>
> Jeff
>
> Seagrass. #116
> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
> http://sailboatseagrass.com/
>
> <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Lawrence Morris via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > The plumb bob is a reference.  Just be careful that big uncle frank is
> not
> > standing in the cockpit at the time or on the bow.
> >
> > The best method is to measure the back stay with the measuring tape
> > hoisted with main halyard.  I don't remember the measurement, but I am
> sure
> > it is on the website somewhere.  George, help!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:01 AM, John Birch via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > 90 degrees to the water. Hang the loose main halyard down, sometimes a
> > light weight is required to get it to act like a plumb bob. It should not
> > be hanging aft of the mast. If it is, that is rake. The more it hangs aft
> > of the mast, the more rake. The more rake, the more load being put on the
> > aft part of the mast step which is not particularly well supported as it
> is
> > not over the mast beam.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > > Re:
> > >
> > > I remember our A-30 had this problem (KC-544) until we started tuning
> > our rig like the Chesapeake racers. Mast vertical, no rake, or virtually
> no
> > rake. That took the loading off the deck at the back of the mast foot,
> > which is not supported particularly well by the Aluminium deck beam,
> > putting most of the downward force under the front of the mast step
> > directly over the deck beam.
> > >
> > > Problem solved. Our decks were dry with no delam. It was a simple
> > compression issue on the back of the step.
> > >
> > > Hope that is a help.
> > >
> > > Cheers from Western Lake Ontario, y'all
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Bro via Public-List" <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > To: "Greg Bover" <gregbover at cbfisk.com>; "Alberg 30 Public List --
> open
> > to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
> > >
> > >
> > >> Now why didn't I think of that? (I guess I just don't think?)
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Anders
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Greg Bover via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Use your main halyard as a plumb bob.
> > >>>
> > >>>> I was wondering if someone would clarify for me what "vertical"
> means
> > on a
> > >>> sailboat which doesn't have any reference lines (except perhaps the
> > vague
> > >>> plane of the waterline). If you are setting the mast rake wrt the
> > waterline,
> > >>> how do you assess this angle (since it is difficult to see the
> > waterline
> > >>> from the deck where a person is making the adjustments). Maybe
> Instead
> > you
> > >>> establish this angle wrt the lowers? (splitting the angle?) Or maybe
> > on a
> > >>> calm day afar with a level while the boat is afloat? Or maybe just
> > trial and
> > >>> error???
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg Bover
> > >>> A-30 #114
> > >>> PENSIVE FLYER
> > >>> Gloucester
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:30:41 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: <fongemie at gmail.com>,       Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>,       Lawrence Morris
>         <morris.lc at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
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>
> Well that could work, but the object with regard to mast rake adjustment is
> to achieve appropriate helm, not to find 90 degrees.  The fact that plumb
> seems to suit many boats is an incidental and general reference point to
> start from... Every boat will be a little different mostly due to varying
> degrees of health in mainsail shape.
>
> Hope that makes sense...
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
> On 2016-02-14, 10:26 AM, "Jeffrey via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > If 90 degrees to the water is the goal, then why not just hold a 48"
> > carpenters level up against the mast?
> >
> > Not that I've done this. I usually use the halyard plumbob trick.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Seagrass. #116
> > Boothbay Harbor, Maine
> > http://sailboatseagrass.com/
> >
> > <http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Lawrence Morris via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The plumb bob is a reference.  Just be careful that big uncle frank is
> not
> >> standing in the cockpit at the time or on the bow.
> >>
> >> The best method is to measure the back stay with the measuring tape
> >> hoisted with main halyard.  I don't remember the measurement, but I am
> sure
> >> it is on the website somewhere.  George, help!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:01 AM, John Birch via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 90 degrees to the water. Hang the loose main halyard down, sometimes a
> >> light weight is required to get it to act like a plumb bob. It should
> not
> >> be hanging aft of the mast. If it is, that is rake. The more it hangs
> aft
> >> of the mast, the more rake. The more rake, the more load being put on
> the
> >> aft part of the mast step which is not particularly well supported as
> it is
> >> not over the mast beam.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> JB
> >>>
> >>> Re:
> >>>
> >>> I remember our A-30 had this problem (KC-544) until we started tuning
> >> our rig like the Chesapeake racers. Mast vertical, no rake, or
> virtually no
> >> rake. That took the loading off the deck at the back of the mast foot,
> >> which is not supported particularly well by the Aluminium deck beam,
> >> putting most of the downward force under the front of the mast step
> >> directly over the deck beam.
> >>>
> >>> Problem solved. Our decks were dry with no delam. It was a simple
> >> compression issue on the back of the step.
> >>>
> >>> Hope that is a help.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers from Western Lake Ontario, y'all
> >>>
> >>> JB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Bro via Public-List" <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> To: "Greg Bover" <gregbover at cbfisk.com>; "Alberg 30 Public List --
> open
> >> to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Mast Rake
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Now why didn't I think of that? (I guess I just don't think?)
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Anders
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Greg Bover via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Use your main halyard as a plumb bob.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I was wondering if someone would clarify for me what "vertical"
> means
> >> on a
> >>>>> sailboat which doesn't have any reference lines (except perhaps the
> >> vague
> >>>>> plane of the waterline). If you are setting the mast rake wrt the
> >> waterline,
> >>>>> how do you assess this angle (since it is difficult to see the
> >> waterline
> >>>>> from the deck where a person is making the adjustments). Maybe
> Instead
> >> you
> >>>>> establish this angle wrt the lowers? (splitting the angle?) Or maybe
> >> on a
> >>>>> calm day afar with a level while the boat is afloat? Or maybe just
> >> trial and
> >>>>> error???
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greg Bover
> >>>>> A-30 #114
> >>>>> PENSIVE FLYER
> >>>>> Gloucester
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> These businesses support your Association:
> >>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> >>>>> Please support them.
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