[Public-List] furling gear and spinnaker halyard

Wes Gardner via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Fri Jun 24 09:36:46 PDT 2016 

Here's another view of the stainless piece that was added as a cap on the
masthead.  This was done by a PO.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxmcdln3rqg7eym/Spin%20Halyard%202.jpg?dl=0

Wes
Griffin's Faith #196

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Here's a pic of my crane.  I just bought an asym that I'm messing with.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u9yoye1486z6ywh/Spin%20Halyard%20Crane.jpg?dl=0
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:26 PM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Gord,
>>
>> Send it to me, also, and I'll add it to the website.
>>
>>  - George
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/16 11:45 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Hernan,
>>>
>>> I do; will send tonight when I'm back in my hotel.   It looks a little
>>> industrial; but its small and strong... And when it's 36' up in the air it
>>> just looks like a little shiny thing ...
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> On 2016-06-24, at 11:40 AM, Hernán Scarnichia <hernanscar at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gordon,
>>>> Do you have any pics that you could post of your custom crane?
>>>> How did you attach it to the mast head?
>>>> Hernan
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 2016 6:41 AM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I built a spin halyard crane for Surprise's halyard.  Holds halyard
>>>>> block a few inches forward of the stay as is more normal in other classes.
>>>>> Works very well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gord 426 Surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-06-24, at 10:34 AM, via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When we raced J Bergquist's Calliope with a racing Genoa on the foil,
>>>>>> we led the spin halyard around the backside of the port side spreader, to a
>>>>>> loop attached to the base of the turnbuckle. We could tension it up after
>>>>>> cleaning up upwind. We never rolled the jib during sail changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael J. Meinhold
>>>>>> meinhold272 at gmail.com / 301 852 0619
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charles,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A halyard that is parallel to the forestay is in danger of being
>>>>>>> wrapped
>>>>>>> around the forestay by a roller furler.
>>>>>>> The forces can be great enough to break the forestay as Kris related
>>>>>>> above.  From what I've read, it appears
>>>>>>> that the halyard should be angled of 5 to 10 degrees aft from the
>>>>>>> stay
>>>>>>> starting at the top swivel.  The "restrainer"
>>>>>>> should be attached to mast in order to achieve that angle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brion Toss writes "A furler's halyard swivel is a wonderful device,
>>>>>>> enabling you to adjust halyard tension, even if the sail is furled.
>>>>>>> But it
>>>>>>> is also a tremendous Achilles heel, the source of the majority of the
>>>>>>> furler problems we see in our shop. For example, if the halyard
>>>>>>> leads too
>>>>>>> close to the foil, and especially if the halyard is slack, it can get
>>>>>>> caught up on the foil while you are setting or furling the sail.
>>>>>>> This is
>>>>>>> the terrible "halyard wrap" that can make it impossible for the
>>>>>>> furler to
>>>>>>> rotate, or for the sail to go up or down. And it can damage or
>>>>>>> destroy the
>>>>>>> foil, the wire, and the halyard. Accordingly, every manufacturer
>>>>>>> that has a
>>>>>>> halyard swivel is extremely emphatic on proper halyard lead and
>>>>>>> tension, as
>>>>>>> well as optimal swivel height. Particulars vary, but the general
>>>>>>> idea is to
>>>>>>> have the top of the swivel just a few inches below the top of the
>>>>>>> foil, and
>>>>>>> to have the halyard angled slightly aft from the swivel. Profurl
>>>>>>> handles
>>>>>>> both these details with their "Wrapstop", a Darth-Vader-Helmet-like
>>>>>>> object
>>>>>>> that clamps onto the top of the stay. Other manufacturers use
>>>>>>> "halyard
>>>>>>> restrainers" that clamp to the face of the mast, though increasingly
>>>>>>> spar
>>>>>>> builders are finally getting around to positioning jib halyard
>>>>>>> sheaves for
>>>>>>> an optimal furler lead, without the need for a restrainer."  (
>>>>>>> www.briontoss.com/education/archive/miscnov03.htm)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Didnt see that the make of the roller furler is mentioned.
>>>>>>>  Constance has
>>>>>>> a Furlex.   Page 23 of the Furlex manual talks about the restrainer.
>>>>>>> (sailing.mit.edu/wikiupload/0/0b/Furlex_200S_Furler.pdf)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Kris Coward via Public-List <
>>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Put a halyard restrainer on the front of the mast to help keep the
>>>>>>>> jib
>>>>>>>> and spin halyards clear enough of each other to keep this problem at
>>>>>>>> bay. I figured this one out the hard way (by breaking the forestay
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> (jib) halyard wrap before putting the restrainer on--fortunately I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> able to rig up the spare halyard as an emergency forestay before
>>>>>>>> the rig
>>>>>>>> got any ideas about falling over).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Kris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 03:39:13PM -0400, charles pleisse via
>>>>>>>> Public-List
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sookie has a spinnaker and most of the associated gear.  It all
>>>>>>>>> seems to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> original to the boat.  Furling gear was installed in the mid
>>>>>>>>> 80's.  I
>>>>>>>>> believe the spinnaker hasn't been used since.  I discovered why
>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As many of you probably know, the spinnaker halyard interferes
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> upper parts of the furling gear.  Is there any way to rig a
>>>>>>>>> spinnaker
>>>>>>>>> halyard on an original mast head that will not interfere with the
>>>>>>>>> furler?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charles Pleisse
>>>>>>>>> Sookie #221
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