[Public-List] furling gear and spinnaker halyard

Fri Jun 24 08:40:17 PDT 2016

Gordon,
Do you have any pics that you could post of your custom crane?
How did you attach it to the mast head?
Hernan
On Jun 24, 2016 6:41 AM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> I built a spin halyard crane for Surprise's halyard.  Holds halyard block
> a few inches forward of the stay as is more normal in other classes. Works
> very well.
>
> Gord 426 Surprise.
>
> On 2016-06-24, at 10:34 AM, via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > When we raced J Bergquist's Calliope with a racing Genoa on the foil, we
> led the spin halyard around the backside of the port side spreader, to a
> loop attached to the base of the turnbuckle. We could tension it up after
> cleaning up upwind. We never rolled the jib during sail changes.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Michael J. Meinhold
> > meinhold272 at gmail.com / 301 852 0619
> >
> >> On Jun 24, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Charles,
> >>
> >> A halyard that is parallel to the forestay is in danger of being wrapped
> >> around the forestay by a roller furler.
> >> The forces can be great enough to break the forestay as Kris related
> >> above.  From what I've read, it appears
> >> that the halyard should be angled of 5 to 10 degrees aft from the stay
> >> starting at the top swivel.  The "restrainer"
> >> should be attached to mast in order to achieve that angle.
> >>
> >> Brion Toss writes "A furler's halyard swivel is a wonderful device,
> >> enabling you to adjust halyard tension, even if the sail is furled. But
> it
> >> is also a tremendous Achilles heel, the source of the majority of the
> >> furler problems we see in our shop. For example, if the halyard leads
> too
> >> close to the foil, and especially if the halyard is slack, it can get
> >> caught up on the foil while you are setting or furling the sail. This is
> >> the terrible "halyard wrap" that can make it impossible for the furler
> to
> >> rotate, or for the sail to go up or down. And it can damage or destroy
> the
> >> foil, the wire, and the halyard. Accordingly, every manufacturer that
> has a
> >> halyard swivel is extremely emphatic on proper halyard lead and
> tension, as
> >> well as optimal swivel height. Particulars vary, but the general idea
> is to
> >> have the top of the swivel just a few inches below the top of the foil,
> and
> >> to have the halyard angled slightly aft from the swivel. Profurl handles
> >> both these details with their "Wrapstop", a Darth-Vader-Helmet-like
> object
> >> that clamps onto the top of the stay. Other manufacturers use "halyard
> >> restrainers" that clamp to the face of the mast, though increasingly
> spar
> >> builders are finally getting around to positioning jib halyard sheaves
> for
> >> an optimal furler lead, without the need for a restrainer."  (
> >> www.briontoss.com/education/archive/miscnov03.htm)
> >>
> >> Didnt see that the make of the roller furler is mentioned.   Constance
> has
> >> a Furlex.   Page 23 of the Furlex manual talks about the restrainer.
> >> (sailing.mit.edu/wikiupload/0/0b/Furlex_200S_Furler.pdf)
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Kris Coward via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Put a halyard restrainer on the front of the mast to help keep the jib
> >>> and spin halyards clear enough of each other to keep this problem at
> >>> bay. I figured this one out the hard way (by breaking the forestay with
> >>> (jib) halyard wrap before putting the restrainer on--fortunately I was
> >>> able to rig up the spare halyard as an emergency forestay before the
> rig
> >>> got any ideas about falling over).
> >>>
> >>> -Kris
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 03:39:13PM -0400, charles pleisse via
> Public-List
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Sookie has a spinnaker and most of the associated gear.  It all seems
> to
> >>> be
> >>>> original to the boat.  Furling gear was installed in the mid 80's.  I
> >>>> believe the spinnaker hasn't been used since.  I discovered why last
> >>> year.
> >>>> As many of you probably know, the spinnaker halyard interferes with
> the
> >>>> upper parts of the furling gear.  Is there any way to rig a spinnaker
> >>>> halyard on an original mast head that will not interfere with the
> furler?
> >>>>
> >>>> Charles Pleisse
> >>>> Sookie #221
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