[Public-List] furling gear and spinnaker halyard

Fri Jun 24 07:41:06 PDT 2016

I built a spin halyard crane for Surprise's halyard.  Holds halyard block a few inches forward of the stay as is more normal in other classes. Works very well. 

Gord 426 Surprise.  

On 2016-06-24, at 10:34 AM, via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> When we raced J Bergquist's Calliope with a racing Genoa on the foil, we led the spin halyard around the backside of the port side spreader, to a loop attached to the base of the turnbuckle. We could tension it up after cleaning up upwind. We never rolled the jib during sail changes. 
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> 
> Mike
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> Michael J. Meinhold 
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>> On Jun 24, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Charles,
>> 
>> A halyard that is parallel to the forestay is in danger of being wrapped
>> around the forestay by a roller furler.
>> The forces can be great enough to break the forestay as Kris related
>> above.  From what I've read, it appears
>> that the halyard should be angled of 5 to 10 degrees aft from the stay
>> starting at the top swivel.  The "restrainer"
>> should be attached to mast in order to achieve that angle.
>> 
>> Brion Toss writes "A furler's halyard swivel is a wonderful device,
>> enabling you to adjust halyard tension, even if the sail is furled. But it
>> is also a tremendous Achilles heel, the source of the majority of the
>> furler problems we see in our shop. For example, if the halyard leads too
>> close to the foil, and especially if the halyard is slack, it can get
>> caught up on the foil while you are setting or furling the sail. This is
>> the terrible "halyard wrap" that can make it impossible for the furler to
>> rotate, or for the sail to go up or down. And it can damage or destroy the
>> foil, the wire, and the halyard. Accordingly, every manufacturer that has a
>> halyard swivel is extremely emphatic on proper halyard lead and tension, as
>> well as optimal swivel height. Particulars vary, but the general idea is to
>> have the top of the swivel just a few inches below the top of the foil, and
>> to have the halyard angled slightly aft from the swivel. Profurl handles
>> both these details with their "Wrapstop", a Darth-Vader-Helmet-like object
>> that clamps onto the top of the stay. Other manufacturers use "halyard
>> restrainers" that clamp to the face of the mast, though increasingly spar
>> builders are finally getting around to positioning jib halyard sheaves for
>> an optimal furler lead, without the need for a restrainer."  (
>> www.briontoss.com/education/archive/miscnov03.htm)
>> 
>> Didnt see that the make of the roller furler is mentioned.   Constance has
>> a Furlex.   Page 23 of the Furlex manual talks about the restrainer.
>> (sailing.mit.edu/wikiupload/0/0b/Furlex_200S_Furler.pdf)
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Kris Coward via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Put a halyard restrainer on the front of the mast to help keep the jib
>>> and spin halyards clear enough of each other to keep this problem at
>>> bay. I figured this one out the hard way (by breaking the forestay with
>>> (jib) halyard wrap before putting the restrainer on--fortunately I was
>>> able to rig up the spare halyard as an emergency forestay before the rig
>>> got any ideas about falling over).
>>> 
>>> -Kris
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 03:39:13PM -0400, charles pleisse via Public-List
>>> wrote:
>>>> Sookie has a spinnaker and most of the associated gear.  It all seems to
>>> be
>>>> original to the boat.  Furling gear was installed in the mid 80's.  I
>>>> believe the spinnaker hasn't been used since.  I discovered why last
>>> year.
>>>> As many of you probably know, the spinnaker halyard interferes with the
>>>> upper parts of the furling gear.  Is there any way to rig a spinnaker
>>>> halyard on an original mast head that will not interfere with the furler?
>>>> 
>>>> Charles Pleisse
>>>> Sookie #221
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