[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3215, Issue 2
Gordon Laco via Public-List
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Sun Mar 13 08:55:01 PDT 2016
Hello -
We had similar damage to SURPRISE's keel due to what we call 'The Great
Kabong' on Shebeshkebong Rock near Parry Sound a few years ago.
I tried to patch it myself over two springs, but was never able to get a
good seal. A couple of years ago I bit the bullet and had the local
professional do it. He ground away all the damaged area at the front
knuckle of the keel... And left it for a long time. I'd also drilled a
couple of holes through the glass till I hit the iron and that helped water
get out too. In the spring the pro epoxy and glassed up a very good job;
I ground and patched my drain holes with thickened epoxy.
All good now.
Gord #426 Surprise
On 2016-03-13, 2:27 PM, "Mpcbi via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> hello all,
I'm watching this thread with interest! My boat #322 has a
> cracked keel likely due to water entering the ballast area and freezing! I
> had fixed it last year but it cracked again this winter, opens up about 1/8 of
> an inch in the cold and closes to a hairline split when above freezing point.
> In my case water entered from the top of the keel from a crack in the covering
> of the ballast under the floor in the vee berth. Water flow from the anchor
> well and in my case a cracked water tank would enter the ballast area of the
> keel rather than flow to the back of the boat into the bilge. All that is now
> repaired but i think the cementious material around the ballast is waterlogged
> and will expand and close in freeze thaw cycle. Not good news over the long
> run but I will keep the boat on the hard in 2 years for a good bottom job. In
> the meantime my temp fix last year and going forward will be to grind and
> cover with a generous coating of thickened epoxy, no fiberglass which may hide
> that freeze thaw cycle. The ballast itself is cast iron which resists rust
> better and is in a low oxygen environment so I'm convincing myself it should
> be okay! I purchased the boat last year so not sure how long that condition
> existed but i got very good deal and the rest of the ship is original and in
> nice shape for its age!
Hope this helps
Maurice, Avoca 322
Envoyé de mon
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> Le 2016-03-12 à 16:29, Daniel Swords via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a écrit :
>
> I have never heard of this
> being a concern. I have a 1972 boat and if there are any issues with my keel I
> haven't been able to notice them. I have it hauled every year and have never
> seen anything to be concerned about.
>
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>> 1. Iron ballast vs. Lead (Scott Abbott via Public-List)
>> 2.
> Re: Iron ballast vs. Lead (Mike Meinhold via Public-List)
>> 3. Re: Iron
> ballast vs. Lead (Jason S via Public-List)
>> 4. Re: Iron ballast vs. Lead
> (Fraser Kittson via Public-List)
>> 5. Re: Iron ballast vs. Lead (Gordon Laco
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>> 6. Re: Iron ballast vs. Lead (Gordon Laco via
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>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:19:25 -0500
>> From: Scott Abbott via
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>> To:
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>> Subject: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs.
> Lead
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>> I am in the market for a
> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>> amazing boat and with an
> incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest to).
>> With that said, I have
> been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase of
>> a 50 year old boat due
> to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>> 30's iron ballast ( I
> read that one owner actually had one made demanding
>> lead be used instead).
> I would be far more eager to own an A30 (and take on
>> the associated
> upgrading and maintenance that these boats require) if I
>> wasn't already so
> concerned about 50 years of osmosis and it's effect on
>> the keel and
> corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>
>> Can anyone address this concern, and if
> this has issue has materialized in
>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how
> common is it and what is the repair
>> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>
>>
>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
> 16:24:29 -0500
>> From: Mike Meinhold via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Scott Abbott <scott at abbottandco.com>,
> Alberg 30 Public List --
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>> I would be interested in
> whether any of those who have participated in
>> breaking an A30 were able to
> autopsy the keel, and determine the extent of
>> corosion?
>>
>> Mike
>> Rinn
> Duin #272
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List
> <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the market for a
> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>> amazing boat and with an
> incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest to).
>>> With that said, I have
> been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase of
>>> a 50 year old boat
> due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>>> 30's iron ballast (
> I read that one owner actually had one made demanding
>>> lead be used
> instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30 (and take on
>>> the
> associated upgrading and maintenance that these boats require) if I
>>> wasn't
> already so concerned about 50 years of osmosis and it's effect on
>>> the keel
> and corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>>
>>> Can anyone address this concern,
> and if this has issue has materialized in
>>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If
> so, how common is it and what is the repair
>>> procedure and cost? Long
> term?
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
> 16:58:20 -0500
>> From: Jason S via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Ryan Martin via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, Mike
>> Meinhold
> <meinhold272 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>> I have not dug into my ballast
> area yet. There are no signs of damage from
>> outside of boat. In a few
> months I will be examining the top of the ballast
>> and will report back.
>>
>
>> Jason
>> #457
>> Www.svsalacia.blogspot.com
>> On Mar 12, 2016 4:24 PM,
> "Mike Meinhold via Public-List" <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>
>>> I would be interested in whether any of those who have participated
> in
>>> breaking an A30 were able to autopsy the keel, and determine the extent
> of
>>> corosion?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Rinn Duin #272
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12,
> 2016 at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List <
>>>
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am in the market for a
> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>> amazing boat and with an
> incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
>>> to).
>>>> With that said, I
> have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase
>>> of
>>>> a 50 year
> old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>>>> 30's iron
> ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made demanding
>>>> lead be
> used instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30 (and take
>>> on
>>>>
> the associated upgrading and maintenance that these boats require) if I
>>>>
> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of osmosis and it's effect on
>>>>
> the keel and corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone address
> this concern, and if this has issue has materialized
>>> in
>>>> existing A30
> fleet thus far? If so, how common is it and what is the
>>> repair
>>>>
> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>>>
> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
> 17:14:08 -0500
>> From: Fraser Kittson via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Jason S <kk4mex at gmail.com>, Alberg
> 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>> I can attest to the fact that my 1978 Alberg 30 has a
> all lead keel
>>
>> Fraser Kittson
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:58 PM,
> Jason S via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I
> have not dug into my ballast area yet. There are no signs of damage from
>>>
> outside of boat. In a few months I will be examining the top of the
> ballast
>>> and will report back.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>> #457
>>>
> Www.svsalacia.blogspot.com
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 4:24 PM, "Mike Meinhold via
> Public-List" <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be
> interested in whether any of those who have participated in
>>>> breaking an
> A30 were able to autopsy the keel, and determine the extent of
>>>>
> corosion?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> Rinn Duin #272
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016
> at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List <
>>>>
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am in the market for a
> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>>> amazing boat and with
> an incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
>>>> to).
>>>>> With that
> said, I have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase
>>>> of
>>>>> a
> 50 year old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>>>>>
> 30's iron ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made
> demanding
>>>>> lead be used instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30
> (and take
>>>> on
>>>>> the associated upgrading and maintenance that these
> boats require) if I
>>>>> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of
> osmosis and it's effect on
>>>>> the keel and corrosion of encased cast
> iron.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone address this concern, and if this has issue has
> materialized
>>>> in
>>>>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how common is
> it and what is the
>>>> repair
>>>>> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>>>>
> _______________________________________________
>>>>> These businesses support
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
> 17:54:37 -0500
>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Scott Abbott <scott at abbottandco.com>,
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>> Hello there.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any osmosis
> issues in A30's
>>
>> Gord Laco #426
>>
>>> On 2016-03-12, at 4:19 PM, Scott
> Abbott via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am
> in the market for a traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>
> amazing boat and with an incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
> to).
>>> With that said, I have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better
> purchase of
>>> a 50 year old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs.
> The Alberg
>>> 30's iron ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made
> demanding
>>> lead be used instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30
> (and take on
>>> the associated upgrading and maintenance that these boats
> require) if I
>>> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of osmosis and
> it's effect on
>>> the keel and corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>>
>>> Can
> anyone address this concern, and if this has issue has materialized in
>>>
> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how common is it and what is the
> repair
>>> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>>
> _______________________________________________
>>> These businesses support
> your Association:
>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>>
> Please support them.
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
> 17:56:20 -0500
>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Fraser Kittson <fkittson at bell.net>,
> Alberg 30 Public List -- open
>> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>
> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast
> vs. Lead
>> Message-ID: <E9BDB6E4-0457-4601-8254-049E14B817CE at csolve.net>
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>> I'm astonished. How have
> you determined this?
>>
>> Gordon #426 Surprise.
>>
>>> On 2016-03-12, at
> 5:14 PM, Fraser Kittson via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can attest to the fact that my 1978 Alberg 30 has a all lead
> keel
>>>
>>> Fraser Kittson
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Jason
> S via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have
> not dug into my ballast area yet. There are no signs of damage from
>>>>
> outside of boat. In a few months I will be examining the top of the
> ballast
>>>> and will report back.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>> #457
>>>>
> Www.svsalacia.blogspot.com
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 4:24 PM, "Mike Meinhold via
> Public-List" <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would
> be interested in whether any of those who have participated in
>>>>> breaking
> an A30 were able to autopsy the keel, and determine the extent of
>>>>>
> corosion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> Rinn Duin #272
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12,
> 2016 at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List <
>>>>>
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am in the market for a
> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>>>> amazing boat and with
> an incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
>>>>> to).
>>>>>> With that
> said, I have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase
>>>>> of
>>>>>>
> a 50 year old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The
> Alberg
>>>>>> 30's iron ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made
> demanding
>>>>>> lead be used instead). I would be far more eager to own an
> A30 (and take
>>>>> on
>>>>>> the associated upgrading and maintenance that
> these boats require) if I
>>>>>> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of
> osmosis and it's effect on
>>>>>> the keel and corrosion of encased cast
> iron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone address this concern, and if this has issue
> has materialized
>>>>> in
>>>>>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how
> common is it and what is the
>>>>> repair
>>>>>> procedure and cost? Long
> term?
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> These
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