[Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang choice

Fri Nov 4 06:24:38 PDT 2016

Yes, I do have a picture of my vang arrangement.  I think years ago, my
boom was set up for roller reefing and also on a track where a downhaul
could provide luff tension.

Here's the link.  When I raise my main, the boom is pulled up the gooseneck
track almost to the top.  When I'm on the wind in 10 kts or so, I start to
pull tension on the outhaul which pulls the boom down a few inches thus
providing some downhaul affect.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hk2bxwrada4etpc/Vang.jpg?dl=0

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:

> Good morning friends,
>
> One of the things I like about the gooseneck track is that when the
> mainsail is doused, the whole boom drops to the bottom of the track,
> thereby putting load on the preset topping lift (in mini form just as yards
> do in sailing ships).  When the sail is set, the lift is slack.  I never
> have to touch it, although we’ve got it rigged through a block at the
> masthead down to a cleat on the mast.  In effect it’s a light secondary
> main halyard, which we’ve actually used once during a race when the main
> halyard broke.
>
> And how did it break?  A well meaning friend had wrapped tape around the
> nicropress securing the wire eye to the shackle.  We couldn’t see that the
> wire had metal fatigued and was holding on by fewer and fewer strands...
> One day in heavy air it broke.  We pulled down the sail, put the topping
> lift on the head, than hauled it up again.  1/4” line isn’t the greatest
> for a halyard but we finished the race.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
>
> On 2016-11-04, 4:22 AM, "Bill McCoy" <wmccoy548 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gordo, et.al., the track for the boom/gooseneck seems a leftover from
> dingy days?  I can understand a loose track for a simple under 20 day
> sailer but for such a weighty boom and degree of sail, seems the boom could
> be fixed and do just as well with an added vang to support keeping it
> level--just my initial observation.
>
>
> Skeep
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 3, 2016 9:49 AM
> *To:* Wes Gardner; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all; Don Campbell
> *Cc:* Bill McCoy
> *Subject:* Re: [Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang
> choice
>
> I know people pound the table spilling each other's beer about fixed vs
> sliding goosenecks... I like mine to move on it's track.  Why?  I just do,
> that's why.
>
> I don't think rigid vangs require fixed goosenecks.  Nor should they impose
> higher loads than tackles...
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
> PS  Pim of WINDWARD and I are just back from the 2016 Misery Trip.  This
> year's expedition, although later in the season, was a sore disappointment
> in that there was no misery.  We romped SURPRISE north out of Severn Sound
> running and broad reaching touching seven knots on occasion getting to our
> anchorage at Bone Island way too soon. We lounged and lay about all
> afternoon, had a good supper out in the cockpit under lights hung from the
> boom, admired the stars, slept in comfort, woke up in a not particularly
> chilly cabin, ate a hearty breakfast of scrambled eggs and sausage... Then
> motored home in an incredible glassy calm in warm air.  Damn.  No misery.
>
> I was thinking we'd have to go again in order to find the suffering we were
> looking for, but my wife preempted that by volunteering to help me strip
> down the rig in preparation for haul out Saturday.  So now it's too late,
> we
> can't go again.
>
>
> On 2016-11-03, 9:39 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Oh, the hard vangs MAY require a fixed point goose neck???  Mine is still
> > on a track.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Here's mine...just a simple arrangement of blocks led back to the
> >> cockpit.  In fact it is was cobbled together by a PO use a mast bail
> and a
> >> boom bail.  It's the white line, the blue one is the tack line for the
> asym.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bill:
> >>>    I know of two Alberg 30's that have Garhauer vangs. Both are in the
> >>> Canadian race fleet and the one is still in the box because the first
> one
> >>> went on and tore the track off the mast that held the boom. Garhauer
> made a
> >>> bracket for the boom fitting so that that boom now does not move on the
> >>> mast. As far as I know, Phil really likes his set up and I will
> eventually
> >>> get around to replacing the cloth vang I have, with the one in the box,
> >>> once I figure out where to put the boom on the mast.  If you do get a
> >>> Garhauer, make sure you get the mast bracket too. They are a small
> enough
> >>> company that they should be able to make the same one that was made for
> >>> Gemini, # 362 and that was for the stock mast.
> >>> Don
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill McCoy via Public-List
> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:08 AM
> >>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >>> Subject: [Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang choice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So Hull 614 is back in the water.  This time in South Carolina.  Photo
> at
> >>> link:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [IMG]http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/Skeep575/DSC_0
> >>> 479_zpsy8voe1sf.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Update discussion threads on Boom Vangs.  I've read the old posts about
> >>> these.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Questions for the hearty:  1) For the Alberg, is there a consensus on
> >>> type vang, blocks or rigid styles?  I'm referring to any sort of setup.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2) Garhauer was mentioned as supplying for Albergs specifically.  Is
> this
> >>> still the case that they are tuned-in to our design for boom vang
> fitment?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks all,
> >>>
> >>> skeep
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bill
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