[Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang choice

Fri Nov 4 06:44:16 PDT 2016

Here's a pic of my vang (slacked off) and the outhaul arrangement (green
line)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/00jfp1d0f04s50r/Vang%20and%20outhaul.jpg?dl=0

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, I do have a picture of my vang arrangement.  I think years ago, my
> boom was set up for roller reefing and also on a track where a downhaul
> could provide luff tension.
>
> Here's the link.  When I raise my main, the boom is pulled up the
> gooseneck track almost to the top.  When I'm on the wind in 10 kts or so, I
> start to pull tension on the outhaul which pulls the boom down a few inches
> thus providing some downhaul affect.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hk2bxwrada4etpc/Vang.jpg?dl=0
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>
>> Good morning friends,
>>
>> One of the things I like about the gooseneck track is that when the
>> mainsail is doused, the whole boom drops to the bottom of the track,
>> thereby putting load on the preset topping lift (in mini form just as yards
>> do in sailing ships).  When the sail is set, the lift is slack.  I never
>> have to touch it, although we’ve got it rigged through a block at the
>> masthead down to a cleat on the mast.  In effect it’s a light secondary
>> main halyard, which we’ve actually used once during a race when the main
>> halyard broke.
>>
>> And how did it break?  A well meaning friend had wrapped tape around the
>> nicropress securing the wire eye to the shackle.  We couldn’t see that the
>> wire had metal fatigued and was holding on by fewer and fewer strands...
>> One day in heavy air it broke.  We pulled down the sail, put the topping
>> lift on the head, than hauled it up again.  1/4” line isn’t the greatest
>> for a halyard but we finished the race.
>>
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-11-04, 4:22 AM, "Bill McCoy" <wmccoy548 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gordo, et.al., the track for the boom/gooseneck seems a leftover from
>> dingy days?  I can understand a loose track for a simple under 20 day
>> sailer but for such a weighty boom and degree of sail, seems the boom could
>> be fixed and do just as well with an added vang to support keeping it
>> level--just my initial observation.
>>
>>
>> Skeep
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 3, 2016 9:49 AM
>> *To:* Wes Gardner; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all; Don Campbell
>> *Cc:* Bill McCoy
>> *Subject:* Re: [Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang
>> choice
>>
>> I know people pound the table spilling each other's beer about fixed vs
>> sliding goosenecks... I like mine to move on it's track.  Why?  I just do,
>> that's why.
>>
>> I don't think rigid vangs require fixed goosenecks.  Nor should they
>> impose
>> higher loads than tackles...
>>
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>
>> PS  Pim of WINDWARD and I are just back from the 2016 Misery Trip.  This
>> year's expedition, although later in the season, was a sore disappointment
>> in that there was no misery.  We romped SURPRISE north out of Severn Sound
>> running and broad reaching touching seven knots on occasion getting to our
>> anchorage at Bone Island way too soon. We lounged and lay about all
>> afternoon, had a good supper out in the cockpit under lights hung from the
>> boom, admired the stars, slept in comfort, woke up in a not particularly
>> chilly cabin, ate a hearty breakfast of scrambled eggs and sausage... Then
>> motored home in an incredible glassy calm in warm air.  Damn.  No misery.
>>
>> I was thinking we'd have to go again in order to find the suffering we
>> were
>> looking for, but my wife preempted that by volunteering to help me strip
>> down the rig in preparation for haul out Saturday.  So now it's too late,
>> we
>> can't go again.
>>
>>
>> On 2016-11-03, 9:39 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Oh, the hard vangs MAY require a fixed point goose neck???  Mine is
>> still
>> > on a track.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here's mine...just a simple arrangement of blocks led back to the
>> >> cockpit.  In fact it is was cobbled together by a PO use a mast bail
>> and a
>> >> boom bail.  It's the white line, the blue one is the tack line for the
>> asym.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
>> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Bill:
>> >>>    I know of two Alberg 30's that have Garhauer vangs. Both are in the
>> >>> Canadian race fleet and the one is still in the box because the first
>> one
>> >>> went on and tore the track off the mast that held the boom. Garhauer
>> made a
>> >>> bracket for the boom fitting so that that boom now does not move on
>> the
>> >>> mast. As far as I know, Phil really likes his set up and I will
>> eventually
>> >>> get around to replacing the cloth vang I have, with the one in the
>> box,
>> >>> once I figure out where to put the boom on the mast.  If you do get a
>> >>> Garhauer, make sure you get the mast bracket too. They are a small
>> enough
>> >>> company that they should be able to make the same one that was made
>> for
>> >>> Gemini, # 362 and that was for the stock mast.
>> >>> Don
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill McCoy via Public-List
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:08 AM
>> >>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>> >>> Subject: [Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang choice
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> So Hull 614 is back in the water.  This time in South Carolina.
>> Photo at
>> >>> link:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> [IMG]http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/Skeep575/DSC_0
>> >>> 479_zpsy8voe1sf.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Update discussion threads on Boom Vangs.  I've read the old posts
>> about
>> >>> these.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Questions for the hearty:  1) For the Alberg, is there a consensus on
>> >>> type vang, blocks or rigid styles?  I'm referring to any sort of
>> setup.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2) Garhauer was mentioned as supplying for Albergs specifically.  Is
>> this
>> >>> still the case that they are tuned-in to our design for boom vang
>> fitment?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks all,
>> >>>
>> >>> skeep
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Bill
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