[Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.

George Dinwiddie gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
Fri Dec 29 13:26:47 PST 2017


Gord, I don't recall getting that.

The info on lines was in the collaborate section, which lost the battle 
with spammers. The attacks were threatening the whole website. It's 
archived at 
https://web.archive.org/web/20101212054448/http://alberg30.org/collaborate/RunningRigging

  - George

On 11/27/17 1:14 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List wrote:
> I’ll send you my rigging schedule off line... George, did I ever send that to you?
> 
> Gord
> #426 Surprise
> 
> On 2017-11-26, 9:54 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Wehicks via Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
>      I know this is off subject and I apologize but I can’t find a list of all the lines size and length on the website. I have seen it some where but I have looked for 2 hours and can’t find this info. Help
>      
>      Sent from my iPhone
>      
>      > On Nov 24, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >
>      > Ah!.................I got the Ultra High part right. Thank you.
>      >
>      >
>      > ----- Original Message -----
>      >
>      > From: "Paul Wilson via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>      > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>      > Cc: "Paul Wilson" <dcmcrider at gmail.com>
>      > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:39:29 PM
>      > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
>      >
>      > Ultra-High Molecular Weight polyethylene.
>      >
>      > Paul
>      > SLAINTE #129
>      >
>      > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
>      > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >
>      >> What is UHMW? Ultra High Mashed Wastepaper?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> ----- Original Message -----
>      >>
>      >> From: "Andrew Johns via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>      >> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>      >>>
>      >> Cc: "Andrew Johns" <johnsab9 at gmail.com>
>      >> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:19:02 PM
>      >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
>      >>
>      >> A UHMW washer may also be a good choice. A bag of them is just a few
>      >> dollars an will not wear the rudder stock.
>      >>
>      >> On Nov 23, 2017 11:57 AM, "Chris Martin via Public-List" <
>      >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >>
>      >>> Hi
>      >>> If you are really going full ADD on this, like I have been known to do,
>      >>> this should work https://www.mcmaster.com/#93490a007/=1adrho9
>      >>> On Thursday, November 23, 2017, 11:18:42 AM EST, Jonathan Bresler via
>      >>> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> Haven't seen any. Have telfon tape and telfon based lubricants.
>      >>> But its a good idea! MSC Direct seems to have something that might
>      >>> fit
>      >>> Seem to recall that the tiller head bolt is 3/8", at least I used a 3/8"
>      >>> drill bit to drill the aluminum to fit the bolt.
>      >>>
>      >>> Jonathan
>      >>>
>      >>> https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=teflon+
>      >>> shim&hdrsrh=true#navid=4287872381&searchterm=teflon+shim&lh=n
>      >>> Made in USA - 3/8 Inch Screw, 0.39 Inch Inside Diameter, 0.875 Inch
>      >> Outside
>      >>> Diameter, 0.062 Inch Thick, Flat Washer - PTFE, Uncoated, 0.057 Inch Min
>      >>> Thickness, 0.395 Inch Max Inside Diameter
>      >>> <https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05404330>
>      >>>
>      >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
>      >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>>> Why not a thin piece of teflon
>      >>>>
>      >>>> On Nov 23, 2017 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Bresler via Public-List" <
>      >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >>>>
>      >>>>> Gord, Thank you. Was afraid of that the corrosion issue would rear
>      >> its
>      >>>>> ugly head.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> The bronze washer idea sounds worthwhile looking into. No problem
>      >>>> having a
>      >>>>> washer on one side only...not an aesthetic issue for me. Might be
>      >> hard
>      >>>> to
>      >>>>> find one
>      >>>>> thin enough. Currently there are four layers of beer can shim stock
>      >>>> which
>      >>>>> might be
>      >>>>> 0.065mm thick each layer or 0.26mm total. That's pretty thin. Seems
>      >>>> that
>      >>>>> there is
>      >>>>> phospor bronze shim stock available in a suitable thickness from
>      >>>>> Lyonindustries
>      >>>>> http://lyonindustries.com/?page_id=9 . They even have an assortment
>      >>>>> 6" x 12" assortment contains one piece of each of the following
>      >> sizes:
>      >>>>> .005, .008, .010, .013, .016, .020, .025, .032
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Gord, how about phosphor bronze ?
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Jonathan
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> http://www.beveragecan.info/en/inform-me/advantages-of-cans/
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
>      >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>> Spoken like a true pommy. Eh?
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> On Nov 22, 2017 10:06 AM, "Michael Connolly via Public-List" <
>      >>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Now wait a minute. All folks know that Canadian beer is far
>      >>> superior
>      >>>> to
>      >>>>>>> anything made in the states............................
>      >>>>>>> Jonathan,
>      >>>>>>> I have solved this issue on several boats using bronze washers.
>      >> The
>      >>>>>> rudder
>      >>>>>>> head and tiller fitting on our boats should be bronze. A washer
>      >> on
>      >>>> just
>      >>>>>> one
>      >>>>>>> side is fine. If you are finicky about this you can pare down the
>      >>>>> washers
>      >>>>>>> so there is an equal number on each side and the tiller is
>      >> centered
>      >>>> so
>      >>>>> to
>      >>>>>>> speak. Yes I have been known to do that.
>      >>>>>>> BTW a bit of grease on the washers helps to hold them in position
>      >>>>> whilst
>      >>>>>>> aligning them for the bolt.
>      >>>>>>> Happy driving..................oh and Thanksgiving!
>      >>>>>>> Michael #133
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.
>      >>> org>
>      >>>>>>> To: "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
>      >> <public-list at lists.alberg30.
>      >>>> org
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
>      >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23:31 PM
>      >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Yes, you’re guaranteeing corrosion damage, and the aluminium is
>      >> too
>      >>>>> soft
>      >>>>>>> to last long in that application.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> A permanent cure would be to build up the inside bearing surfaces
>      >>> of
>      >>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> rudder head with brazing, then grind and sand it down to fit. Not
>      >>>>>> difficult
>      >>>>>>> to do, but this will be a lasting solution.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Gord
>      >>>>>>> #426 Surprise
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> On 2017-11-21, 8:12 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jonathan
>      >> Bresler
>      >>>> via
>      >>>>>>> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf
>      >> of
>      >>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Folks,
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Got tiller wobble, The metal H shaped section connecting the
>      >> tiller
>      >>>> to
>      >>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> rudder head fitting does not fit as tightly as I would like.
>      >>> Initial
>      >>>>>>> movements of the tiller take up slack then finally start to move
>      >>> the
>      >>>>>>> rudder. Decided I needed to do something about this.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Obtained two pieces of top shelf aluminum shim stock from the
>      >> side
>      >>>> of a
>      >>>>>>> Heinekin beer car. Folded the two pieces in half. Trimmed the
>      >>> pieces
>      >>>> to
>      >>>>>>> match the height of the H fitting and a similar length. Drilled a
>      >>>> 3/8"
>      >>>>>> hole
>      >>>>>>> in the center of each of the two. Installed one shim on each side
>      >>> of
>      >>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> rudder head fitting between the rudder head and the tiller H
>      >>> fitting.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Went sailing today. Comparatively NO wobble. Nice tight response.
>      >>>>>>> Shouid have done this a while ago. Hoping that the aluminum shim
>      >>>> stock
>      >>>>> is
>      >>>>>>> softer than other metals, bronze for the rudder head, and
>      >> steel(?)
>      >>>> for
>      >>>>>> the
>      >>>>>>> H fitting. Would be happy to replace the shim stock every year in
>      >>>> order
>      >>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>> prevent wear of the other parts.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Thoughts? Am I risking corrosion damage?
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Jonathan
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> P.S. Stole the idea of using beer can shim stock from Robert
>      >>> Pirsig's
>      >>>>>>> _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_. Hard to believe
>      >> that
>      >>>> the
>      >>>>>> book
>      >>>>>>> is forty-three years old now.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> --
>      >>>>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>      >>>>>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>      >>>>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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