[Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.

Michael Connolly crufone at comcast.net
Fri Nov 24 09:05:37 PST 2017 

What is UHMW? Ultra High Mashed Wastepaper? 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Andrew Johns via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
Cc: "Andrew Johns" <johnsab9 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:19:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix. 

A UHMW washer may also be a good choice. A bag of them is just a few 
dollars an will not wear the rudder stock. 

On Nov 23, 2017 11:57 AM, "Chris Martin via Public-List" < 
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 

> Hi 
> If you are really going full ADD on this, like I have been known to do, 
> this should work https://www.mcmaster.com/#93490a007/=1adrho9 
> On Thursday, November 23, 2017, 11:18:42 AM EST, Jonathan Bresler via 
> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
> 
> Haven't seen any. Have telfon tape and telfon based lubricants. 
> But its a good idea! MSC Direct seems to have something that might 
> fit 
> Seem to recall that the tiller head bolt is 3/8", at least I used a 3/8" 
> drill bit to drill the aluminum to fit the bolt. 
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
> https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=teflon+ 
> shim&hdrsrh=true#navid=4287872381&searchterm=teflon+shim&lh=n 
> Made in USA - 3/8 Inch Screw, 0.39 Inch Inside Diameter, 0.875 Inch Outside 
> Diameter, 0.062 Inch Thick, Flat Washer - PTFE, Uncoated, 0.057 Inch Min 
> Thickness, 0.395 Inch Max Inside Diameter 
> <https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05404330> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List < 
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
> 
> > Why not a thin piece of teflon 
> > 
> > On Nov 23, 2017 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Bresler via Public-List" < 
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > > Gord, Thank you. Was afraid of that the corrosion issue would rear its 
> > > ugly head. 
> > > 
> > > The bronze washer idea sounds worthwhile looking into. No problem 
> > having a 
> > > washer on one side only...not an aesthetic issue for me. Might be hard 
> > to 
> > > find one 
> > > thin enough. Currently there are four layers of beer can shim stock 
> > which 
> > > might be 
> > > 0.065mm thick each layer or 0.26mm total. That's pretty thin. Seems 
> > that 
> > > there is 
> > > phospor bronze shim stock available in a suitable thickness from 
> > > Lyonindustries 
> > > http://lyonindustries.com/?page_id=9 . They even have an assortment 
> > > 6" x 12" assortment contains one piece of each of the following sizes: 
> > > .005, .008, .010, .013, .016, .020, .025, .032 
> > > 
> > > Gord, how about phosphor bronze ? 
> > > 
> > > Jonathan 
> > > 
> > > http://www.beveragecan.info/en/inform-me/advantages-of-cans/ 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List < 
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Spoken like a true pommy. Eh? 
> > > > 
> > > > On Nov 22, 2017 10:06 AM, "Michael Connolly via Public-List" < 
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > Now wait a minute. All folks know that Canadian beer is far 
> superior 
> > to 
> > > > > anything made in the states............................ 
> > > > > Jonathan, 
> > > > > I have solved this issue on several boats using bronze washers. The 
> > > > rudder 
> > > > > head and tiller fitting on our boats should be bronze. A washer on 
> > just 
> > > > one 
> > > > > side is fine. If you are finicky about this you can pare down the 
> > > washers 
> > > > > so there is an equal number on each side and the tiller is centered 
> > so 
> > > to 
> > > > > speak. Yes I have been known to do that. 
> > > > > BTW a bit of grease on the washers helps to hold them in position 
> > > whilst 
> > > > > aligning them for the bolt. 
> > > > > Happy driving..................oh and Thanksgiving! 
> > > > > Michael #133 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30. 
> org> 
> > > > > To: "George Dinwiddie via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30. 
> > org 
> > > > 
> > > > > Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> 
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23:31 PM 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, you’re guaranteeing corrosion damage, and the aluminium is too 
> > > soft 
> > > > > to last long in that application. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A permanent cure would be to build up the inside bearing surfaces 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > rudder head with brazing, then grind and sand it down to fit. Not 
> > > > difficult 
> > > > > to do, but this will be a lasting solution. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Gord 
> > > > > #426 Surprise 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 2017-11-21, 8:12 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jonathan Bresler 
> > via 
> > > > > Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of 
> > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Folks, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Got tiller wobble, The metal H shaped section connecting the tiller 
> > to 
> > > > the 
> > > > > rudder head fitting does not fit as tightly as I would like. 
> Initial 
> > > > > movements of the tiller take up slack then finally start to move 
> the 
> > > > > rudder. Decided I needed to do something about this. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Obtained two pieces of top shelf aluminum shim stock from the side 
> > of a 
> > > > > Heinekin beer car. Folded the two pieces in half. Trimmed the 
> pieces 
> > to 
> > > > > match the height of the H fitting and a similar length. Drilled a 
> > 3/8" 
> > > > hole 
> > > > > in the center of each of the two. Installed one shim on each side 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > rudder head fitting between the rudder head and the tiller H 
> fitting. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Went sailing today. Comparatively NO wobble. Nice tight response. 
> > > > > Shouid have done this a while ago. Hoping that the aluminum shim 
> > stock 
> > > is 
> > > > > softer than other metals, bronze for the rudder head, and steel(?) 
> > for 
> > > > the 
> > > > > H fitting. Would be happy to replace the shim stock every year in 
> > order 
> > > > to 
> > > > > prevent wear of the other parts. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thoughts? Am I risking corrosion damage? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jonathan 
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S. Stole the idea of using beer can shim stock from Robert 
> Pirsig's 
> > > > > _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_. Hard to believe that 
> > the 
> > > > book 
> > > > > is forty-three years old now. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Jonathan M Bresler 
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> > > > > Annapolis/Eastport MD 
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