[Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.

Fri Nov 24 09:39:29 PST 2017

Ultra-High Molecular Weight polyethylene.

Paul
SLAINTE #129

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> What is UHMW? Ultra High Mashed Wastepaper?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Andrew Johns via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >
> Cc: "Andrew Johns" <johnsab9 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:19:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
>
> A UHMW washer may also be a good choice. A bag of them is just a few
> dollars an will not wear the rudder stock.
>
> On Nov 23, 2017 11:57 AM, "Chris Martin via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > If you are really going full ADD on this, like I have been known to do,
> > this should work https://www.mcmaster.com/#93490a007/=1adrho9
> > On Thursday, November 23, 2017, 11:18:42 AM EST, Jonathan Bresler via
> > Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Haven't seen any. Have telfon tape and telfon based lubricants.
> > But its a good idea! MSC Direct seems to have something that might
> > fit
> > Seem to recall that the tiller head bolt is 3/8", at least I used a 3/8"
> > drill bit to drill the aluminum to fit the bolt.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=teflon+
> > shim&hdrsrh=true#navid=4287872381&searchterm=teflon+shim&lh=n
> > Made in USA - 3/8 Inch Screw, 0.39 Inch Inside Diameter, 0.875 Inch
> Outside
> > Diameter, 0.062 Inch Thick, Flat Washer - PTFE, Uncoated, 0.057 Inch Min
> > Thickness, 0.395 Inch Max Inside Diameter
> > <https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05404330>
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Why not a thin piece of teflon
> > >
> > > On Nov 23, 2017 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Bresler via Public-List" <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gord, Thank you. Was afraid of that the corrosion issue would rear
> its
> > > > ugly head.
> > > >
> > > > The bronze washer idea sounds worthwhile looking into. No problem
> > > having a
> > > > washer on one side only...not an aesthetic issue for me. Might be
> hard
> > > to
> > > > find one
> > > > thin enough. Currently there are four layers of beer can shim stock
> > > which
> > > > might be
> > > > 0.065mm thick each layer or 0.26mm total. That's pretty thin. Seems
> > > that
> > > > there is
> > > > phospor bronze shim stock available in a suitable thickness from
> > > > Lyonindustries
> > > > http://lyonindustries.com/?page_id=9 . They even have an assortment
> > > > 6" x 12" assortment contains one piece of each of the following
> sizes:
> > > > .005, .008, .010, .013, .016, .020, .025, .032
> > > >
> > > > Gord, how about phosphor bronze ?
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan
> > > >
> > > > http://www.beveragecan.info/en/inform-me/advantages-of-cans/
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Spoken like a true pommy. Eh?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 22, 2017 10:06 AM, "Michael Connolly via Public-List" <
> > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now wait a minute. All folks know that Canadian beer is far
> > superior
> > > to
> > > > > > anything made in the states............................
> > > > > > Jonathan,
> > > > > > I have solved this issue on several boats using bronze washers.
> The
> > > > > rudder
> > > > > > head and tiller fitting on our boats should be bronze. A washer
> on
> > > just
> > > > > one
> > > > > > side is fine. If you are finicky about this you can pare down the
> > > > washers
> > > > > > so there is an equal number on each side and the tiller is
> centered
> > > so
> > > > to
> > > > > > speak. Yes I have been known to do that.
> > > > > > BTW a bit of grease on the washers helps to hold them in position
> > > > whilst
> > > > > > aligning them for the bolt.
> > > > > > Happy driving..................oh and Thanksgiving!
> > > > > > Michael #133
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> > org>
> > > > > > To: "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> > > org
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23:31 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, you’re guaranteeing corrosion damage, and the aluminium is
> too
> > > > soft
> > > > > > to last long in that application.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A permanent cure would be to build up the inside bearing surfaces
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > rudder head with brazing, then grind and sand it down to fit. Not
> > > > > difficult
> > > > > > to do, but this will be a lasting solution.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gord
> > > > > > #426 Surprise
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2017-11-21, 8:12 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jonathan
> Bresler
> > > via
> > > > > > Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf
> of
> > > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Got tiller wobble, The metal H shaped section connecting the
> tiller
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > rudder head fitting does not fit as tightly as I would like.
> > Initial
> > > > > > movements of the tiller take up slack then finally start to move
> > the
> > > > > > rudder. Decided I needed to do something about this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obtained two pieces of top shelf aluminum shim stock from the
> side
> > > of a
> > > > > > Heinekin beer car. Folded the two pieces in half. Trimmed the
> > pieces
> > > to
> > > > > > match the height of the H fitting and a similar length. Drilled a
> > > 3/8"
> > > > > hole
> > > > > > in the center of each of the two. Installed one shim on each side
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > rudder head fitting between the rudder head and the tiller H
> > fitting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Went sailing today. Comparatively NO wobble. Nice tight response.
> > > > > > Shouid have done this a while ago. Hoping that the aluminum shim
> > > stock
> > > > is
> > > > > > softer than other metals, bronze for the rudder head, and
> steel(?)
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > H fitting. Would be happy to replace the shim stock every year in
> > > order
> > > > > to
> > > > > > prevent wear of the other parts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thoughts? Am I risking corrosion damage?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonathan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > P.S. Stole the idea of using beer can shim stock from Robert
> > Pirsig's
> > > > > > _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_. Hard to believe
> that
> > > the
> > > > > book
> > > > > > is forty-three years old now.
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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