[Public-List] Stand-On vs Right-of-Way

[Gordon Laco]

I had a classic stand-off along those lines a few years ago.   I was stopped at a stop sign… the cross street was ‘stand on’ ie no stop sign.   A nice older lady on the stand on street stopped.  She waved me to go through.  I shook my head.  She waved me through again.   I put my hands over my face while shaking my head indicating ‘no’.   I theatrically peeked through one eye to see her still stopped and waving me to go through.   I hid my face again.

Eventually she roared through her right of way scowling at me.  

I had the stop sign, she didn’t.  What could I do?  

Gordon Laco
#426 Surprise




> On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Have seen what you are speaking of, a bit of excessive deference,
> frequently at intersections.
> Among them, a four way stop near my house.  Not uncommon to have at least
> two or more cars
> all stopped with the drivers looking at each other.  Dont know if they dont
> know rules as to who
> should go first, dont trust the other drivers, or are displaying an excessive
> deference that approaches
> timidity.
> 
> See it as well in drivers that will stop at a stop sign.  See a car
> approaching the intersection at a normal
> and decreasing speed, yet will not move till other car, the approaching
> car, has come to a complete stop.
> 
> As I understand it, it is incumbent on the stand-on boat, to stand-on, to
> be as predictable as possible so
> that the give-way boat may make a decision and be confident that the
> stand-on boat will not start
> jigging around confusing the situation.
> 
> Dont know how one addresses these issues.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
>> The recent discussion of anchors on the bow has gotten me to think about
>> the results of the Stand-On /Give Way versus old Right-Of-Way/ Burdened
>> rules, both in COLREGS and in sailboat racing.   The concept that all
>> parties share a duty to avoid contact is an excellent one, in my opinion.
>> 
>> However, in practice I believe it leads to confusion, and causes some
>> collisions that could have been avoided with more simple direct rules. A
>> parallel example is when two polite people walk toward each other, and each
>> tries to defer by stepping aside, and they end up in a little dance . I
>> have witnessed port/starboard cases in sailboat racing where the stand-on
>> vessel sees the need to take action to avoid collision, while the Give-Way
>> vessel, with tighter tolerance for close quarters, is preparing to duck .
>> The stand-on vessel turns down, and collision or at least contact becomes
>> inevitable.
>> 
>> I am not saying we should go back to the old rules, but perhaps more
>> refinement is required to avoid contact due to different tolerances.
>> 
>> Mike
>> Rinn Duin #272
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