[Public-List] Stand-On vs Right-of-Way

Paul Wilson dcmcrider at gmail.com
Thu Aug 30 09:05:05 PDT 2018


The way I learned was stand-on vessel is supposed to maintain course and
speed, while the give-way vessel is to take "early and substantial" action.
So, Gord's "sweet old lady" failed in her duty to "maintain course and
speed."

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 11:55 AM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Have seen what you are speaking of, a bit of excessive deference,
> frequently at intersections.
> Among them, a four way stop near my house.  Not uncommon to have at least
> two or more cars
> all stopped with the drivers looking at each other.  Dont know if they dont
> know rules as to who
> should go first, dont trust the other drivers, or are displaying an
> excessive
> deference that approaches
> timidity.
>
> See it as well in drivers that will stop at a stop sign.  See a car
> approaching the intersection at a normal
> and decreasing speed, yet will not move till other car, the approaching
> car, has come to a complete stop.
>
> As I understand it, it is incumbent on the stand-on boat, to stand-on, to
> be as predictable as possible so
> that the give-way boat may make a decision and be confident that the
> stand-on boat will not start
> jigging around confusing the situation.
>
> Dont know how one addresses these issues.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > The recent discussion of anchors on the bow has gotten me to think about
> > the results of the Stand-On /Give Way versus old Right-Of-Way/ Burdened
> > rules, both in COLREGS and in sailboat racing.   The concept that all
> > parties share a duty to avoid contact is an excellent one, in my opinion.
> >
> > However, in practice I believe it leads to confusion, and causes some
> > collisions that could have been avoided with more simple direct rules. A
> > parallel example is when two polite people walk toward each other, and
> each
> > tries to defer by stepping aside, and they end up in a little dance . I
> > have witnessed port/starboard cases in sailboat racing where the stand-on
> > vessel sees the need to take action to avoid collision, while the
> Give-Way
> > vessel, with tighter tolerance for close quarters, is preparing to duck .
> > The stand-on vessel turns down, and collision or at least contact becomes
> > inevitable.
> >
> > I am not saying we should go back to the old rules, but perhaps more
> > refinement is required to avoid contact due to different tolerances.
> >
> > Mike
> > Rinn Duin #272
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