[Public-List] Stand-On vs Right-of-Way

[Jonathan Bresler]

Imagine that "sweet" little old lady with a line of cars behind her
unable to legally pass her.

Guessing it comes down to people need to fulfill their responsibilities.


On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> I had a classic stand-off along those lines a few years ago.   I was
> stopped at a stop sign… the cross street was ‘stand on’ ie no stop sign.
>  A nice older lady on the stand on street stopped.  She waved me to go
> through.  I shook my head.  She waved me through again.   I put my hands
> over my face while shaking my head indicating ‘no’.   I theatrically peeked
> through one eye to see her still stopped and waving me to go through.   I
> hid my face again.
>
> Eventually she roared through her right of way scowling at me.
>
> I had the stop sign, she didn’t.  What could I do?
>
> Gordon Laco
> #426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Have seen what you are speaking of, a bit of excessive deference,
> > frequently at intersections.
> > Among them, a four way stop near my house.  Not uncommon to have at least
> > two or more cars
> > all stopped with the drivers looking at each other.  Dont know if they
> dont
> > know rules as to who
> > should go first, dont trust the other drivers, or are displaying an
> excessive
> > deference that approaches
> > timidity.
> >
> > See it as well in drivers that will stop at a stop sign.  See a car
> > approaching the intersection at a normal
> > and decreasing speed, yet will not move till other car, the approaching
> > car, has come to a complete stop.
> >
> > As I understand it, it is incumbent on the stand-on boat, to stand-on, to
> > be as predictable as possible so
> > that the give-way boat may make a decision and be confident that the
> > stand-on boat will not start
> > jigging around confusing the situation.
> >
> > Dont know how one addresses these issues.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The recent discussion of anchors on the bow has gotten me to think about
> >> the results of the Stand-On /Give Way versus old Right-Of-Way/ Burdened
> >> rules, both in COLREGS and in sailboat racing.   The concept that all
> >> parties share a duty to avoid contact is an excellent one, in my
> opinion.
> >>
> >> However, in practice I believe it leads to confusion, and causes some
> >> collisions that could have been avoided with more simple direct rules. A
> >> parallel example is when two polite people walk toward each other, and
> each
> >> tries to defer by stepping aside, and they end up in a little dance . I
> >> have witnessed port/starboard cases in sailboat racing where the
> stand-on
> >> vessel sees the need to take action to avoid collision, while the
> Give-Way
> >> vessel, with tighter tolerance for close quarters, is preparing to duck
> .
> >> The stand-on vessel turns down, and collision or at least contact
> becomes
> >> inevitable.
> >>
> >> I am not saying we should go back to the old rules, but perhaps more
> >> refinement is required to avoid contact due to different tolerances.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> Rinn Duin #272
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Jonathan M Bresler
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