[Public-List] Stand-On vs Right-of-Way

[Gordon Laco]

I reckon you’d need to write to the administrator.

Gord



> On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:40 AM, MG via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gord,
> Sorry to  bother you.  I have been trying to remove myself from the list.
> We no longer own an Alberg and have tried numerous times to remove our
> e-mail account.
> Any chance you can assist?
> 
> Please let us know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> mark
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 10:38 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
>> I had a classic stand-off along those lines a few years ago.   I was
>> stopped at a stop sign… the cross street was ‘stand on’ ie no stop sign.
>> A nice older lady on the stand on street stopped.  She waved me to go
>> through.  I shook my head.  She waved me through again.   I put my hands
>> over my face while shaking my head indicating ‘no’.   I theatrically peeked
>> through one eye to see her still stopped and waving me to go through.   I
>> hid my face again.
>> 
>> Eventually she roared through her right of way scowling at me.
>> 
>> I had the stop sign, she didn’t.  What could I do?
>> 
>> Gordon Laco
>> #426 Surprise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> Have seen what you are speaking of, a bit of excessive deference,
>>> frequently at intersections.
>>> Among them, a four way stop near my house.  Not uncommon to have at least
>>> two or more cars
>>> all stopped with the drivers looking at each other.  Dont know if they
>> dont
>>> know rules as to who
>>> should go first, dont trust the other drivers, or are displaying an
>> excessive
>>> deference that approaches
>>> timidity.
>>> 
>>> See it as well in drivers that will stop at a stop sign.  See a car
>>> approaching the intersection at a normal
>>> and decreasing speed, yet will not move till other car, the approaching
>>> car, has come to a complete stop.
>>> 
>>> As I understand it, it is incumbent on the stand-on boat, to stand-on, to
>>> be as predictable as possible so
>>> that the give-way boat may make a decision and be confident that the
>>> stand-on boat will not start
>>> jigging around confusing the situation.
>>> 
>>> Dont know how one addresses these issues.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The recent discussion of anchors on the bow has gotten me to think about
>>>> the results of the Stand-On /Give Way versus old Right-Of-Way/ Burdened
>>>> rules, both in COLREGS and in sailboat racing.   The concept that all
>>>> parties share a duty to avoid contact is an excellent one, in my
>> opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> However, in practice I believe it leads to confusion, and causes some
>>>> collisions that could have been avoided with more simple direct rules. A
>>>> parallel example is when two polite people walk toward each other, and
>> each
>>>> tries to defer by stepping aside, and they end up in a little dance . I
>>>> have witnessed port/starboard cases in sailboat racing where the
>> stand-on
>>>> vessel sees the need to take action to avoid collision, while the
>> Give-Way
>>>> vessel, with tighter tolerance for close quarters, is preparing to duck
>> .
>>>> The stand-on vessel turns down, and collision or at least contact
>> becomes
>>>> inevitable.
>>>> 
>>>> I am not saying we should go back to the old rules, but perhaps more
>>>> refinement is required to avoid contact due to different tolerances.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> Rinn Duin #272
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