[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3588, Issue 2
Chris Martin
notcmartin at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 1 11:12:50 PST 2018
Too funny. Time is flying by but thankfully not that fast! Happy New Year all.
I was looking forward to spring, now I just want temps over 20.
On Sunday, December 31, 2017, 9:29:31 AM EST, Mike Lehman via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
Wow...I guess I am older than I thought...never expected to live to 3018 😄
Janet thanks for you kind words.
On Dec 31, 2017 8:43 AM, "janet gawler via Public-List" <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>
> Sailing into 3018....I wish everyone a healthy happy and safe New
> Year......May All your wishes come true.....From my house to yours......
> Warmest Regards,Janet Gawler
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, December 30, 2017, 6:39 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Welcome to the Alberg 30 family!
> You mentioned that your hull number is 262.
> Constance, the Alberg 30 that I bought in 2015, is hull number 262.
> Either there are two 262's or you may have mistyped.
> Pretty sure that Constance is 262 from speaking with previous owners.
>
> Could you check your hull number so that I can update the Alberg 30
> boat history spreadsheet http://www.alberg30.org/boat/A30BoatHistory.xlsx
> with your information? Would like to know
>
> - the hull number
> - the year you got her
> - the previous owner
> - her name
> - where you are keeping her.
>
> Thank you and Happy New Year
> Jonathan
>
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Jim Semmens via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Own 1967 Alberg 30 hull 262. Can anyone tell me lubercation and maintence
> > for original barient winches?
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. mast step vs A-frame (William Dirks)
> > 2. Head plumping (Stephen Gwyn)
> > 3. Re: Hinged Mast Step Continued (americo silva)
> > 4. Re: Head plumping (Gordon Laco)
> > 5. Re: Hinged Mast Step (Jonathan Bresler)
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> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:19:53 -0500
> > From: William Dirks <williamdirks at gmail.com>
> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> > Subject: [Public-List] mast step vs A-frame
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAMK7p2qN=yo4q7+3pXZLBfQF12NGuhz7jxdsh3Bq44BBm
> > v2dYw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > I installed a tabernacle on my boat (a Whitby 25), after using an A-frame
> > to
> > unstep the mast. I used the A frame again to step the mast after
> > installing
> > the tabernacle, then last year I used a series of lines and a spinnaker
> > pole
> > (and a few neighbors) to step and unstep it. I'd say the only real
> > advantage to having the tabernacle and using a spinnaker pole is that
> that
> > system is mobile and can be done anywhere with equipment you already have
> > on
> > the boat. The difference in stepping and unstepping is otherwise not
> that
> > different and requires the same number of people and level of care. As I
> > remember, Jean du Sud's tabernacle is a lot heftier than the off the
> shelf
> > variety and perhaps makes the process less stressful. I think his
> purpose
> > in installing a tabernacle was to be able to trailer the boat, so he
> needed
> > to frequently drop and re-step the mast.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:17:54 -0800
> > From: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: [Public-List] Head plumping
> > Message-ID:
> > <CANkDF7buruqGRmGzq03ZJ2Pa8YV=yDNQ0uoSNTEYt88uQCruSg at mail.
> > gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > But the PVC components that everybody says will crack, have not cracked,
> > right?
> >
> > SG
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:21:38 -0500
> > From: americo silva <picomar1957 at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step Continued
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAMaMEADCNA1qNQf1ZcY18KgMD8Ab-m_mi5J9YpqhboaFj-U65A at mail.
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > just a note I have his video
> > his mast is quite a bit taller than normal probably why his chain plate
> let
> > go too he claims there was no crane to lift the mast that is why he used
> a
> > tabernacle
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Yves Gelinas has a shorter mast than the factory stick too. That will
> > > change both the mass and leverage. I am fairly sure he uses a jib boom
> > > made out of the spin pole fastened to the mast.
> > > That boat is equipped for ocean sailing with things like 3 reefs in a
> > > 12 oz cloth for the main. He has it set for big winds and single
> handing.
> > > His book is now available in English too by the way.
> > > Don
> > >
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Kuperus via Public-List
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 5:38 PM
> > > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> > > Cc: Gerard Kuperus
> > > Subject: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step Continued
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
> > > A lot of you don't seem to think it is a good idea... I looked at the
> > > photo series of the A-Frame and read the description and to be honest
> > > taking the mast down that way freaks me out a bit. I guess it is what
> > > one is used to: I grew up in the Netherlands and am used to tall (over
> > > 50 ft) wooden masts on a tabernacle. For sure the forces on that are
> > > tremendous and you need big diameter cables and a winch, but it is
> > > possible and although everyone is always happy when the stick is back
> > > up, it is not a precarious endeavor.
> > > To make it work on the Alberg 30 requires some good planning and the
> > > right materials. The Ballenger mast steps are quite sturdy and are not
> > > "off the shelf" items. My suspicion is that they are mostly making
> > > them for the boats in Santa Cruz. SC has a bridge and I have heard
> > > they have boats with masts up to 45' have hinged mast steps for that
> > > reason. In any case, I will ask Ballenger.
> > > Looking at the drawing of Yves Gelinas set up (on capehorn.com) he has
> > > some hinge in the shrouds, exactly in line with the mast hinge. This
> > > is to make sure the tension remains more or less the same.
> > > If I understood the comments correctly, some of you seem to think of a
> > > static A-frame. That is not what I had in mind. Gelinas actually uses
> > > his spinnaker pole, I was thinking of replacing it with a moving
> > > a-frame. When the mast is vertical the frame is horizontal (more or
> > > less), when the mast is horizontal (more or less) the frame is
> vertical.
> > > Anyway, I will keep thinking about this and ask some more questions to
> > > those in the know! Obviously, I want to make sure it is a safe system.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > >
> > > Gerard
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:23:29 -0500
> > From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > To: George Dinwiddie via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Cc: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Head plumping
> > Message-ID: <F6D9E388-A958-4B57-A52B-303683514BCB at csolve.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > I?ve cracked PVC head fittings twice by overtightening the fastener...
> but
> > when gently snugged up as they should be done, have never had a problem.
> > Oh what a horrible sound is that little ?tick? of a breaking flange...
> >
> > Head ?Plumping?? Is that what happens to the skipper after doing well in
> > a
> > race... a stage past or perhaps before ?head swelling??
> >
> > Gord
> > #426 Surprise
> >
> > On 2017-12-29, 12:17 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Stephen Gwyn via
> > Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > But the PVC components that everybody says will crack, have not
> > cracked,
> > right?
> >
> > SG
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:43:23 -0500
> > From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAHEe8Tsa9it+Ebvs9He6CsswDz1whQcM_ypGEtvWtt_CFchv7g at mail.gmail.
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> >
> > Count me in. Would be glad to help and to learn.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Chris Martin via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Mike
> > > Thanks for speaking up. Now that its in the open, who's up for a mast
> > > up/down? :) its another thing in my list.
> > > Chris
> > > On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 11:42:24 AM EST, Mike Lehman via
> > > Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Alberg 30 Association has an A-frame for removing the mast. I am
> > > the keeper of the a-frame and have removed and installed about 50
> > > masts with it. The ideal number of people to operate it is 3. It takes
> > > about an hour+ to set it up and only minutes to lower or raise a mast.
> > > Detailed instructions are on the website at
> > > http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/SparsSailsRigging/
> > > UnsteppingMast/9-TakeDownMast.html
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Gerard,
> > > >
> > > > Would you consider just building the A frame as you?ve suggested and
> > > > leaving everything else the same? I know some of the folks here on
> > > > the
> > > East
> > > > coast have such an arrangement...I think it DOES Require more than
> > > > one person.
> > > >
> > > > Wes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 27, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Gerard Kuperus via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Inspired by Yves Gelinas (as well as by my fear of heights) I am
> > > > thinking about installing a hinged mast base. It would allow me to
> > > inspect
> > > > once in a while and to do maintenance or solve problems up there. I
> > > > would use an A-Frame (two 10' galvanized pipes bolted together)
> > > > attached to the forestay or jib halyard, take the front lowers off,
> > > > and ease some tension on the uppers (I guess) and slowly lower with
> > > > a block and tackle
> > > (possibly
> > > > the mainsheet). I am sure some of you have a system set up, so here
> > > > are
> > > my
> > > > questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > - the existing baseplate (the aluminum piece on which the mast
> > > > > sits) is
> > > > rather large. I found Ballenger makes hinged mast steps, with a
> > > > topplate that is 8" x 5.5" (see http://ballengerspars.com/) .This
> > > > looks like a sturdy unity with the top and base plates on top of one
> > > > another, but how
> > > do
> > > > I attach the alluminum base to this (mine is the standard one with 4
> > > > big bolts). Having the nuts under the topplate would make it
> > non-functional.
> > > > >
> > > > > - If I could somehow figure out how to attach these (or get
> > > > > another
> > > mast
> > > > base that can be screwed on) it seems that the hinge should be as
> > > > close
> > > to
> > > > the mast as possible. If the pivot point is far aft the shrouds
> > > > would
> > > need
> > > > to be loosened quite a bit (since the mast would first go up). Or do
> > > > I
> > > not
> > > > get that right?
> > > > >
> > > > > - So, it seems I need a smaller mast base. Ballenger does have a
> > > smaller
> > > > hinged mast step. Not sure where I can find a mast base for a 6 x
> > > > 3.6 extrusion, but I am sure it is out there.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Another option is the hinge made by Dwyer (see for example here:
> > > > http://www.downwindmarine.com/Dwyer-Hinged-Mast-Plates-
> > > > Stainless-Steel-p-90890668.html). Now the biggest one is 6.5. The
> > > > Alberg
> > > > 30 mast would just fit on that.
> > > > >
> > > > > - A custom option is possible, but I think Ballenger makes a
> > > > > pretty
> > > > solid product.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Any thoughts on my thoughts? Would I be right in getting a smaller
> > > > > mast
> > > > base and then go for a hinged mast step that is about 6.5 x 4?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerard
> > > > >
> > > > > Skye Mist
> > > > >
> > > > > San Francisco Bay Area
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > Jonathan M Bresler
> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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