[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3588, Issue 2
Jonathan Bresler
262alberg30 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 1 18:32:25 PST 2018
Jim,
Thank you for the information regarding Nugget #268.
I'll update the Alberg 30 history spreadsheet and send it off
to George for uploading to the Alberg30.org site.
Jonathan
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Jim Semmens <ngcgliderman at netzero.net>
wrote:
> I PURCHASED #268 FROM THOMAS ARMOUR SEPTEMBER 2015.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Semmens [mailto:ngcgliderman at netzero.net]
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 30, 2017 7:03 PM
> *To:* 'Jonathan Bresler'
> *Cc:* James Semmens
> *Subject:* RE: [Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3588, Issue 2
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>
>
> Maybe 267. I will double check and get back to you. Purchased Sep 2015. I
> am owner number seven. Nugget is anchored in the Saint Marys River, Saint
> Marys, Georgia. She rode IRMA tidal surge a few miles into Florida. Hull
> number is on the hull.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Bresler [mailto:262alberg30 at gmail.com
> <262alberg30 at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 30, 2017 6:39 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3588, Issue 2
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> Jim,
>
>
>
> Welcome to the Alberg 30 family!
>
> You mentioned that your hull number is 262.
>
> Constance, the Alberg 30 that I bought in 2015, is hull number 262.
>
> Either there are two 262's or you may have mistyped.
>
> Pretty sure that Constance is 262 from speaking with previous owners.
>
>
>
> Could you check your hull number so that I can update the Alberg 30
>
> boat history spreadsheet http://www.alberg30.org/boat/A30BoatHistory.xlsx
>
> with your information? Would like to know
>
> - the hull number
> - the year you got her
> - the previous owner
> - her name
> - where you are keeping her.
>
> Thank you and Happy New Year
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Jim Semmens via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Own 1967 Alberg 30 hull 262. Can anyone tell me lubercation and maintence
> for original barient winches?
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> 1. mast step vs A-frame (William Dirks)
> 2. Head plumping (Stephen Gwyn)
> 3. Re: Hinged Mast Step Continued (americo silva)
> 4. Re: Head plumping (Gordon Laco)
> 5. Re: Hinged Mast Step (Jonathan Bresler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:19:53 -0500
> From: William Dirks <williamdirks at gmail.com>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: [Public-List] mast step vs A-frame
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> I installed a tabernacle on my boat (a Whitby 25), after using an A-frame
> to
> unstep the mast. I used the A frame again to step the mast after
> installing
> the tabernacle, then last year I used a series of lines and a spinnaker
> pole
> (and a few neighbors) to step and unstep it. I'd say the only real
> advantage to having the tabernacle and using a spinnaker pole is that that
> system is mobile and can be done anywhere with equipment you already have
> on
> the boat. The difference in stepping and unstepping is otherwise not that
> different and requires the same number of people and level of care. As I
> remember, Jean du Sud's tabernacle is a lot heftier than the off the shelf
> variety and perhaps makes the process less stressful. I think his purpose
> in installing a tabernacle was to be able to trailer the boat, so he needed
> to frequently drop and re-step the mast.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:17:54 -0800
> From: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at gmail.com>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: [Public-List] Head plumping
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> But the PVC components that everybody says will crack, have not cracked,
> right?
>
> SG
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:21:38 -0500
> From: americo silva <picomar1957 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step Continued
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> just a note I have his video
> his mast is quite a bit taller than normal probably why his chain plate let
> go too he claims there was no crane to lift the mast that is why he used a
> tabernacle
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Yves Gelinas has a shorter mast than the factory stick too. That will
> > change both the mass and leverage. I am fairly sure he uses a jib boom
> > made out of the spin pole fastened to the mast.
> > That boat is equipped for ocean sailing with things like 3 reefs in a
> > 12 oz cloth for the main. He has it set for big winds and single handing.
> > His book is now available in English too by the way.
> > Don
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Kuperus via Public-List
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 5:38 PM
> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> > Cc: Gerard Kuperus
> > Subject: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step Continued
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
> > A lot of you don't seem to think it is a good idea... I looked at the
> > photo series of the A-Frame and read the description and to be honest
> > taking the mast down that way freaks me out a bit. I guess it is what
> > one is used to: I grew up in the Netherlands and am used to tall (over
> > 50 ft) wooden masts on a tabernacle. For sure the forces on that are
> > tremendous and you need big diameter cables and a winch, but it is
> > possible and although everyone is always happy when the stick is back
> > up, it is not a precarious endeavor.
> > To make it work on the Alberg 30 requires some good planning and the
> > right materials. The Ballenger mast steps are quite sturdy and are not
> > "off the shelf" items. My suspicion is that they are mostly making
> > them for the boats in Santa Cruz. SC has a bridge and I have heard
> > they have boats with masts up to 45' have hinged mast steps for that
> > reason. In any case, I will ask Ballenger.
> > Looking at the drawing of Yves Gelinas set up (on capehorn.com) he has
> > some hinge in the shrouds, exactly in line with the mast hinge. This
> > is to make sure the tension remains more or less the same.
> > If I understood the comments correctly, some of you seem to think of a
> > static A-frame. That is not what I had in mind. Gelinas actually uses
> > his spinnaker pole, I was thinking of replacing it with a moving
> > a-frame. When the mast is vertical the frame is horizontal (more or
> > less), when the mast is horizontal (more or less) the frame is vertical.
> > Anyway, I will keep thinking about this and ask some more questions to
> > those in the know! Obviously, I want to make sure it is a safe system.
> >
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> >
> > Gerard
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:23:29 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: George Dinwiddie via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Cc: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Head plumping
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> I?ve cracked PVC head fittings twice by overtightening the fastener... but
> when gently snugged up as they should be done, have never had a problem.
> Oh what a horrible sound is that little ?tick? of a breaking flange...
>
> Head ?Plumping?? Is that what happens to the skipper after doing well in
> a
> race... a stage past or perhaps before ?head swelling??
>
> Gord
> #426 Surprise
>
> On 2017-12-29, 12:17 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Stephen Gwyn via
> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> But the PVC components that everybody says will crack, have not
> cracked,
> right?
>
> SG
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:43:23 -0500
> From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step
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> Count me in. Would be glad to help and to learn.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Chris Martin via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Mike
> > Thanks for speaking up. Now that its in the open, who's up for a mast
> > up/down? :) its another thing in my list.
> > Chris
> > On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 11:42:24 AM EST, Mike Lehman via
> > Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > The Alberg 30 Association has an A-frame for removing the mast. I am
> > the keeper of the a-frame and have removed and installed about 50
> > masts with it. The ideal number of people to operate it is 3. It takes
> > about an hour+ to set it up and only minutes to lower or raise a mast.
> > Detailed instructions are on the website at
> > http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/SparsSailsRigging/
> > UnsteppingMast/9-TakeDownMast.html
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gerard,
> > >
> > > Would you consider just building the A frame as you?ve suggested and
> > > leaving everything else the same? I know some of the folks here on
> > > the
> > East
> > > coast have such an arrangement...I think it DOES Require more than
> > > one person.
> > >
> > > Wes
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On Dec 27, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Gerard Kuperus via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Inspired by Yves Gelinas (as well as by my fear of heights) I am
> > > thinking about installing a hinged mast base. It would allow me to
> > inspect
> > > once in a while and to do maintenance or solve problems up there. I
> > > would use an A-Frame (two 10' galvanized pipes bolted together)
> > > attached to the forestay or jib halyard, take the front lowers off,
> > > and ease some tension on the uppers (I guess) and slowly lower with
> > > a block and tackle
> > (possibly
> > > the mainsheet). I am sure some of you have a system set up, so here
> > > are
> > my
> > > questions:
> > > >
> > > > - the existing baseplate (the aluminum piece on which the mast
> > > > sits) is
> > > rather large. I found Ballenger makes hinged mast steps, with a
> > > topplate that is 8" x 5.5" (see http://ballengerspars.com/) .This
> > > looks like a sturdy unity with the top and base plates on top of one
> > > another, but how
> > do
> > > I attach the alluminum base to this (mine is the standard one with 4
> > > big bolts). Having the nuts under the topplate would make it
> non-functional.
> > > >
> > > > - If I could somehow figure out how to attach these (or get
> > > > another
> > mast
> > > base that can be screwed on) it seems that the hinge should be as
> > > close
> > to
> > > the mast as possible. If the pivot point is far aft the shrouds
> > > would
> > need
> > > to be loosened quite a bit (since the mast would first go up). Or do
> > > I
> > not
> > > get that right?
> > > >
> > > > - So, it seems I need a smaller mast base. Ballenger does have a
> > smaller
> > > hinged mast step. Not sure where I can find a mast base for a 6 x
> > > 3.6 extrusion, but I am sure it is out there.
> > > >
> > > > - Another option is the hinge made by Dwyer (see for example here:
> > > http://www.downwindmarine.com/Dwyer-Hinged-Mast-Plates-
> > > Stainless-Steel-p-90890668.html). Now the biggest one is 6.5. The
> > > Alberg
> > > 30 mast would just fit on that.
> > > >
> > > > - A custom option is possible, but I think Ballenger makes a
> > > > pretty
> > > solid product.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts on my thoughts? Would I be right in getting a smaller
> > > > mast
> > > base and then go for a hinged mast step that is about 6.5 x 4?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gerard
> > > >
> > > > Skye Mist
> > > >
> > > > San Francisco Bay Area
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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