[Public-List] Damn Screws (Greg R)

Greg Roberts greg at midnight-oil.us
Fri Jun 1 10:27:54 PDT 2018


    
I've used Lanocoat for about 7 years with good success.
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   1. Re: Damn screws (Gordon Laco)
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   3. Re: Damn screws (Gordon Laco)
   4. Re: Damn screws (americo silva)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 10:52:55 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.


Gordon Laco
www.gordonlaco.com




> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like that
> one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick silicon
> grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
> incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs - dissimilar
> metals.
> 
> Anders
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hello friends?
>> 
>> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine screws
>> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve tried
>> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses? that is
>> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the donut
>> used to seal toilet installations.  That stuff is incredibly tenacious?
>> works very well for a long time.
>> 
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
>>> 
>>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
>>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
>>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
>>> 
>>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough to
>> fit the screw
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize compound
>> on screws.
>>> 
>>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
>> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch. I've
>> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and aluminum.
>>> 
>>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
>>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
>>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't have
>> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
>>>>> valve.   Are you replacing it?  Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
>>>>> that?s in place is destroyed.   I had success heating a cast
>>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
>>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
>>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
>> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only have
>> one spare at the moment.
>>> 
>>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
>> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the dock
>> instead of at sea.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
>> screws?
>>>>> 
>>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
>>>>> might win.  It is going to lose and come out and there must never
>>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
>>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw.  Cursing is beneficial, the more
>> creativity
>>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
>>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
>>> I've done this part well.
>>> 
>>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention.  Place a properly fitting screw
>>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
>>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
>>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
>> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
>>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
>>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
>> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
>>> 
>>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
>>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
>>>>> could break the screw.  you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
>>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous.  A broken head means
>>>>> the screw won a round.
>>> 
>>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the slot. I
>> fear that this has given the screw courage.
>>> 
>>> - George
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> When I remember bygone days                         George Dinwiddie
>>> I think how evening follows morn;            gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>>> So many I loved were not yet dead,           http://www.Alberg30.org
>>> So many I love were not yet born.                          also see:
>>>              'The Middle' by Ogden Nash     http://idiacomputing.com
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> 
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 10:56:08 -0400
From: Anders Bro <abro.gtu at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Damn screws
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Oops sorry - the proper spelling is "Ultra Tef Gel". I heard of it through
Practical Sailor.
Anders

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 10:53 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.
>
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like
> that
> > one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick silicon
> > grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
> > incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs - dissimilar
> > metals.
> >
> > Anders
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello friends?
> >>
> >> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine
> screws
> >> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve
> tried
> >> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses? that
> is
> >> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the
> donut
> >> used to seal toilet installations.  That stuff is incredibly tenacious?
> >> works very well for a long time.
> >>
> >> Gordon Laco
> >> www.gordonlaco.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
> >>>
> >>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
> >>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
> >>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
> >>>
> >>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough to
> >> fit the screw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize compound
> >> on screws.
> >>>
> >>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
> >> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch. I've
> >> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and aluminum.
> >>>
> >>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
> >>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
> >>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't
> have
> >> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
> >>>>> valve.   Are you replacing it?  Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
> >>>>> that?s in place is destroyed.   I had success heating a cast
> >>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
> >>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
> >>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
> >> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only have
> >> one spare at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
> >> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the
> dock
> >> instead of at sea.
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
> >> screws?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
> >>>>> might win.  It is going to lose and come out and there must never
> >>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
> >>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw.  Cursing is beneficial, the more
> >> creativity
> >>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
> >>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
> >>> I've done this part well.
> >>>
> >>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention.  Place a properly fitting screw
> >>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
> >>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
> >>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
> >> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
> >>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
> >>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
> >> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
> >>>
> >>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
> >>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
> >>>>> could break the screw.  you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
> >>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous.  A broken head means
> >>>>> the screw won a round.
> >>>
> >>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the slot. I
> >> fear that this has given the screw courage.
> >>>
> >>> - George
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> When I remember bygone days                         George Dinwiddie
> >>> I think how evening follows morn;            gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> >>> So many I loved were not yet dead,           http://www.Alberg30.org
> >>> So many I love were not yet born.                          also see:
> >>>              'The Middle' by Ogden Nash     http://idiacomputing.com
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:01:44 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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Sorry Anders, still don?t know that product.  Perhaps our employees do, I?ll ask.

Gordon Laco
www.gordonlaco.com




> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Oops sorry - the proper spelling is "Ultra Tef Gel". I heard of it through
> Practical Sailor.
> Anders
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 10:53 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.
>> 
>> 
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like
>> that
>>> one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick silicon
>>> grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
>>> incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs - dissimilar
>>> metals.
>>> 
>>> Anders
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello friends?
>>>> 
>>>> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine
>> screws
>>>> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve
>> tried
>>>> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses? that
>> is
>>>> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the
>> donut
>>>> used to seal toilet installations.  That stuff is incredibly tenacious?
>>>> works very well for a long time.
>>>> 
>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
>>>>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough to
>>>> fit the screw
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize compound
>>>> on screws.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
>>>> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch. I've
>>>> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and aluminum.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
>>>>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
>>>>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't
>> have
>>>> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
>>>>>>> valve.   Are you replacing it?  Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
>>>>>>> that?s in place is destroyed.   I had success heating a cast
>>>>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
>>>>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
>>>>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
>>>> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only have
>>>> one spare at the moment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
>>>> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the
>> dock
>>>> instead of at sea.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
>>>> screws?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
>>>>>>> might win.  It is going to lose and come out and there must never
>>>>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
>>>>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw.  Cursing is beneficial, the more
>>>> creativity
>>>>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
>>>>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
>>>>> I've done this part well.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention.  Place a properly fitting screw
>>>>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
>>>>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
>>>>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
>>>> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
>>>>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
>>>>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
>>>> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
>>>>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
>>>>>>> could break the screw.  you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
>>>>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous.  A broken head means
>>>>>>> the screw won a round.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the slot. I
>>>> fear that this has given the screw courage.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - George
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> When I remember bygone days                         George Dinwiddie
>>>>> I think how evening follows morn;            gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>>>>> So many I loved were not yet dead,           http://www.Alberg30.org
>>>>> So many I love were not yet born.                          also see:
>>>>>             'The Middle' by Ogden Nash     http://idiacomputing.com
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>>>>> Please support them.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:09:04 -0400
From: americo silva <picomar1957 at gmail.com>
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get a manual impact screwdriver the kind that you hit with a hammer

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Sorry Anders, still don?t know that product.  Perhaps our employees do,
> I?ll ask.
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oops sorry - the proper spelling is "Ultra Tef Gel". I heard of it
> through
> > Practical Sailor.
> > Anders
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 10:53 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gordon Laco
> >> www.gordonlaco.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like
> >> that
> >>> one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick
> silicon
> >>> grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
> >>> incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs -
> dissimilar
> >>> metals.
> >>>
> >>> Anders
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello friends?
> >>>>
> >>>> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine
> >> screws
> >>>> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve
> >> tried
> >>>> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses?
> that
> >> is
> >>>> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the
> >> donut
> >>>> used to seal toilet installations.  That stuff is incredibly
> tenacious?
> >>>> works very well for a long time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>> www.gordonlaco.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
> >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
> >>>>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
> >>>>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough
> to
> >>>> fit the screw
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize
> compound
> >>>> on screws.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
> >>>> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch.
> I've
> >>>> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and
> aluminum.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
> >>>>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
> >>>>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't
> >> have
> >>>> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
> >>>>>>> valve.   Are you replacing it?  Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
> >>>>>>> that?s in place is destroyed.   I had success heating a cast
> >>>>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
> >>>>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
> >>>>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
> >>>> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only
> have
> >>>> one spare at the moment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
> >>>> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the
> >> dock
> >>>> instead of at sea.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
> >>>> screws?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
> >>>>>>> might win.  It is going to lose and come out and there must never
> >>>>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
> >>>>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw.  Cursing is beneficial, the more
> >>>> creativity
> >>>>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
> >>>>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
> >>>>> I've done this part well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention.  Place a properly fitting screw
> >>>>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
> >>>>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
> >>>>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
> >>>> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
> >>>>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
> >>>>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
> >>>> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
> >>>>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
> >>>>>>> could break the screw.  you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
> >>>>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous.  A broken head means
> >>>>>>> the screw won a round.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the
> slot. I
> >>>> fear that this has given the screw courage.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - George
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >>>>> When I remember bygone days                         George Dinwiddie
> >>>>> I think how evening follows morn;            gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> >>>>> So many I loved were not yet dead,           http://www.Alberg30.org
> >>>>> So many I love were not yet born.                          also see:
> >>>>>             'The Middle' by Ogden Nash     http://idiacomputing.com
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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