[Public-List] Damn Screws (Greg R)
Gordon Laco
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 10:52:55 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Damn screws
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> Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.
>
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like that
>> one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick silicon
>> grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
>> incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs - dissimilar
>> metals.
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends?
>>>
>>> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine screws
>>> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve tried
>>> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses? that is
>>> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the donut
>>> used to seal toilet installations. That stuff is incredibly tenacious?
>>> works very well for a long time.
>>>
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
>>>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
>>>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
>>>>
>>>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough to
>>> fit the screw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize compound
>>> on screws.
>>>>
>>>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
>>> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch. I've
>>> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and aluminum.
>>>>
>>>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
>>>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
>>>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't have
>>> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
>>>>>> valve. Are you replacing it? Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
>>>>>> that?s in place is destroyed. I had success heating a cast
>>>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
>>>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
>>>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
>>> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only have
>>> one spare at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
>>> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the dock
>>> instead of at sea.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
>>> screws?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
>>>>>> might win. It is going to lose and come out and there must never
>>>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
>>>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw. Cursing is beneficial, the more
>>> creativity
>>>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
>>>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
>>>> I've done this part well.
>>>>
>>>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention. Place a properly fitting screw
>>>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
>>>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
>>>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
>>> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
>>>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
>>>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
>>> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
>>>>
>>>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
>>>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
>>>>>> could break the screw. you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
>>>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous. A broken head means
>>>>>> the screw won a round.
>>>>
>>>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the slot. I
>>> fear that this has given the screw courage.
>>>>
>>>> - George
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
>>>> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>>>> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
>>>> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
>>>> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 10:56:08 -0400
> From: Anders Bro <abro.gtu at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Damn screws
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> Oops sorry - the proper spelling is "Ultra Tef Gel". I heard of it through
> Practical Sailor.
> Anders
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 10:53 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.
>>
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like
>> that
>>> one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick silicon
>>> grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
>>> incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs - dissimilar
>>> metals.
>>>
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello friends?
>>>>
>>>> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine
>> screws
>>>> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve
>> tried
>>>> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses? that
>> is
>>>> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the
>> donut
>>>> used to seal toilet installations. That stuff is incredibly tenacious?
>>>> works very well for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
>>>>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough to
>>>> fit the screw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize compound
>>>> on screws.
>>>>>
>>>>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
>>>> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch. I've
>>>> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and aluminum.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
>>>>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
>>>>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't
>> have
>>>> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
>>>>>>> valve. Are you replacing it? Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
>>>>>>> that?s in place is destroyed. I had success heating a cast
>>>>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
>>>>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
>>>>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
>>>> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only have
>>>> one spare at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
>>>> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the
>> dock
>>>> instead of at sea.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
>>>> screws?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
>>>>>>> might win. It is going to lose and come out and there must never
>>>>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
>>>>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw. Cursing is beneficial, the more
>>>> creativity
>>>>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
>>>>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
>>>>> I've done this part well.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention. Place a properly fitting screw
>>>>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
>>>>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
>>>>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
>>>> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
>>>>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
>>>>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
>>>> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
>>>>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
>>>>>>> could break the screw. you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
>>>>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous. A broken head means
>>>>>>> the screw won a round.
>>>>>
>>>>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the slot. I
>>>> fear that this has given the screw courage.
>>>>>
>>>>> - George
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
>>>>> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>>>>> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
>>>>> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
>>>>> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:01:44 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Damn screws
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> Sorry Anders, still don?t know that product. Perhaps our employees do, I?ll ask.
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Oops sorry - the proper spelling is "Ultra Tef Gel". I heard of it through
>> Practical Sailor.
>> Anders
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 10:53 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like
>>> that
>>>> one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick silicon
>>>> grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
>>>> incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs - dissimilar
>>>> metals.
>>>>
>>>> Anders
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello friends?
>>>>>
>>>>> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine
>>> screws
>>>>> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve
>>> tried
>>>>> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses? that
>>> is
>>>>> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the
>>> donut
>>>>> used to seal toilet installations. That stuff is incredibly tenacious?
>>>>> works very well for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
>>>>>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough to
>>>>> fit the screw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize compound
>>>>> on screws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
>>>>> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch. I've
>>>>> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and aluminum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
>>>>>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
>>>>>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't
>>> have
>>>>> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
>>>>>>>> valve. Are you replacing it? Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
>>>>>>>> that?s in place is destroyed. I had success heating a cast
>>>>>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
>>>>>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
>>>>>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
>>>>> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only have
>>>>> one spare at the moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
>>>>> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the
>>> dock
>>>>> instead of at sea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
>>>>> screws?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
>>>>>>>> might win. It is going to lose and come out and there must never
>>>>>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
>>>>>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw. Cursing is beneficial, the more
>>>>> creativity
>>>>>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
>>>>>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
>>>>>> I've done this part well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention. Place a properly fitting screw
>>>>>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
>>>>>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
>>>>>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
>>>>> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
>>>>>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
>>>>>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
>>>>> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
>>>>>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
>>>>>>>> could break the screw. you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
>>>>>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous. A broken head means
>>>>>>>> the screw won a round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the slot. I
>>>>> fear that this has given the screw courage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - George
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
>>>>>> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>>>>>> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
>>>>>> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
>>>>>> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>>>>> Please support them.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:09:04 -0400
> From: americo silva <picomar1957 at gmail.com>
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> get a manual impact screwdriver the kind that you hit with a hammer
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Anders, still don?t know that product. Perhaps our employees do,
>> I?ll ask.
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oops sorry - the proper spelling is "Ultra Tef Gel". I heard of it
>> through
>>> Practical Sailor.
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 10:53 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Anders - I don?t recall that one?. sorry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Anders Bro via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And how does tuff-gel fare compared to the toilet ring seal (I do like
>>>> that
>>>>> one!). I was under the impression that tuff-gel (I believe thick
>> silicon
>>>>> grease with super fine Teflon particles. I have a small jar and it is
>>>>> incredibly tenacious.) was formulated for exactly such needs -
>> dissimilar
>>>>> metals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anders
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 9:55 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello friends?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In our Voyager self steering vanes, we have stainless steel machine
>>>> screws
>>>>>> in our cast aluminium bodies? we bed the screws in waxy grease? we?ve
>>>> tried
>>>>>> many specialized compounds but have settled on what the Navy uses?
>> that
>>>> is
>>>>>> the waxy grease that comes from the hardware store in the form of the
>>>> donut
>>>>>> used to seal toilet installations. That stuff is incredibly
>> tenacious?
>>>>>> works very well for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Gord and Hans,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/1/18 9:06 AM, Hans Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>> Penetrating oil and a hammer screw drive (the battery operated ones
>>>>>>>> work great but make sure the drive is well fitted to the screw).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried my 1/2" hand impact tool, but don't have a bit small enough
>> to
>>>>>> fit the screw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you reassemble use never seize or some other anti seize
>> compound
>>>>>> on screws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I generally like to do this, but wonder about the addition of more
>>>>>> metals to the mix. I've also used RTV caulk or Vaseline in a pinch.
>> I've
>>>>>> never found anything that seems to work between stainless and
>> aluminum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whale pumps are actually a bit of a maintenance hog. I open mine up
>>>>>>>> and inspect/clean/make sure screws turn twice a year.
>>>>>>> Perhaps that's my problem. I expect things to keep working. I don't
>>>> have
>>>>>> the time to rebuild everything all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Normally I?d suggest heat - but that will destroy the rubber flap
>>>>>>>>> valve. Are you replacing it? Perhaps you don?t care if the valve
>>>>>>>>> that?s in place is destroyed. I had success heating a cast
>>>>>>>>> aluminium windlass body as a step toward removing an oxidized-in
>>>>>>>>> stainless screw in the chain stripper.
>>>>>>> I'm hoping to reuse this flap valve, as it's still working. It's the
>>>>>> other one that had taken a set and quit sealing, and I seem to only
>> have
>>>>>> one spare at the moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm taking it out so I can clean and repaint the inside of the pump
>>>>>> since I've got the unlikely circumstance of repairing it while at the
>>>> dock
>>>>>> instead of at sea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I recall an article in a yachting magazine about fighting reluctant
>>>>>> screws?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #1 - Never let the screw ever think there is any possibility it
>>>>>>>>> might win. It is going to lose and come out and there must never
>>>>>>>>> be any doubt about that either in your mind, or on the part of the
>>>>>>>>> screw. >> #2 - Address the screw. Cursing is beneficial, the more
>>>>>> creativity
>>>>>>>>> the better? volume is not required, in fact silent cursing may be
>>>>>>>>> the most effective preamble of all.
>>>>>>> I've done this part well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #3 - Get the screw?s attention. Place a properly fitting screw
>>>>>>>>> driver in its head, and rap sharply with a hammer. (this is
>>>>>>>>> actually good advice because the shocks will tend to dislodge the
>>>>>>>>> aluminium oxide that is gripping it) >> #4 - soak with penetrating
>>>>>> oil, and let it sit a bit, then go back
>>>>>>>>> to #2 and proceed again until final victory.
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the rubber flapper is preventing the penetrating oil
>>>>>> from penetrating the metal-to-metal contact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #5 - apply gentle but relentless torque with your screw driver,
>>>>>>>>> sharply rapping with the hammer?be careful with the torque, you
>>>>>>>>> could break the screw. you may be tempted to put a wrench on your
>>>>>>>>> screwdriver for leverage? this is dangerous. A broken head means
>>>>>>>>> the screw won a round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The screwdriver has already slipped once, slightly damaging the
>> slot. I
>>>>>> fear that this has given the screw courage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - George
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------
>>>>>>> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
>>>>>>> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>>>>>>> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
>>>>>>> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
>>>>>>> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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