[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3646, Issue 2

Zachary Smith zacharysmith.us at gmail.com
Mon May 28 08:20:44 PDT 2018


Furlers have terrible sailshape at anything but 100% out. No way around it.

To add to the matter, flying a furler "reefed" is possible but the Furler
and sail aren't designed for that.

The marketing crap might say it is, but it isn't.

Zach



On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 5:52 AM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> message 1
> Thanks for the reply, my genoa is a 170 and my main was reefed and flat.
> Guess I need to invest in a small headsail (100%) to use on windy days??
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 7:41 AM, <public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org>
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> >    1. Re: Public-List Digest, Vol 3645, Issue 1 (Gordon Laco)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 07:41:31 -0400
> > From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3645, Issue 1
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> > Good morning -
> >
> > I?d suggest that you were underpowered? and a rolled headsail results in
> a
> > very poorly shaped headsail delivering more heeling force than forward
> > drive.    It is not possible to sail well with a partially rolled
> > headsail.
> >
> > What size is your genoa when normally set?  If it is a 150 or less, you?d
> > have been better off with it set normally, but with the sheet leads
> shifted
> > aft slightly to induce twist, and the halyard housed hard to pull draft
> > forward.  The trouble with partially rolling the sail is that you end up
> > with a baggy sail with the draft in the wrong place? sometimes causing
> more
> > trouble than a larger flatter sail.
> >
> > Was your reefed main flat? A poorly reefed main can actually cause more
> > heeling forces than an unreeled one.  In addition, if the main isn?t
> reefed
> > so it is flatter than a full main, you?ll end up with a lot of weather
> > helm? the boat will have to drag her rudder through the water and that
> saps
> > speed.
> >
> > Forgive me if your main was well reefed? but I have seen many poorly
> > reefed mains? a properly reefed sail doesn?t need it?s reef points tied
> at
> > all? all the load is on the reef clew which draws the new foot of the
> sail
> > hard up against the boom.  If there is any load on the reef points at
> all,
> > then the clew reef line is too slack, resulting in a baggy sail.  The
> only
> > thing the reef points should do is bunch up the bunt or loose fabric of
> the
> > reefed sail so you can see under it? nothing else.
> >
> > Taken all together, the upshot of this is that if a boat has shortened
> > sail too much for the conditions, and the means of shortening sail
> prevents
> > what sail is still set from driving her along, she?ll feel unhappy? if
> > there?s a chop, she?ll lack power to drive through it.  If she?s beating,
> > she won?t point and will feel soggy? if she?s racing, the fleet will draw
> > away? if she?s cruising, well she won?t get where she wants to go with
> much
> > grace and pleasure?
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 27, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Raced my A30 in 20 knt. winds yesterday, had a single reef in main and
> > > rolled genoa up to 100%. couldnt sail well with the chop any
> suggestions
> > > Rainbow A30
> > >
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> > >>   1. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
> > >>   2. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
> > >>   3. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
> > >>   4. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 06:33:08 -0400
> > >> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
> > >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > >>        <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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> > >>
> > >> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> > fairly
> > >> smooth sea?
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello gang -
> > >>>
> > >>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > habit
> > >>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >>>
> > >>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> lapse
> > >> on
> > >>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We
> finished
> > >> 3rd
> > >>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> way
> > >>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well I
> > >> should
> > >>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I feel
> > >> quite
> > >>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> > said
> > >>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> my
> > >>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > recall
> > >>> things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged me,
> > and
> > >>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > revealed
> > >>> that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have
> had
> > >> the
> > >>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
> > If
> > >>> we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should
> have
> > >>> checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > >>>
> > >>> There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > >>> committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > >>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One
> time
> > >>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> > made
> > >>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> > start
> > >>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > catch
> > >>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > >>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> used
> > >>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> were
> > >>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds behind
> > us.
> > >>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of
> all
> > >> that
> > >>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our
> way
> > >> up
> > >>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > things
> > >>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> > >>> spinnaker...
> > >>>
> > >>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > second.
> > >>>
> > >>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> so
> > it
> > >>> was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the sail.
> > We
> > >>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> up
> > >> with
> > >>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> > leeward
> > >>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > >> vermin
> > >>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > >>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> > was
> > >>> overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> fine
> > >>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> > windward
> > >>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended up
> > 4th
> > >> in
> > >>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > that.
> > >>>
> > >>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >>>
> > >>> Gordon Laco
> > >>> #426 SURPRISE
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 2
> > >> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:31:52 -0400
> > >> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > >>        <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> > >> Message-ID: <E1D2CE4B-3185-4520-A476-CDAA1D58D7F2 at csolve.net>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
> > >>
> > >> With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.
> She?ll
> > >> point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming
> > her
> > >> up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
> > >>
> > >> She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots.   We are competitive
> in
> > >> that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when the
> > air
> > >> is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes.  Funny thing is that we come
> > to
> > >> life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5
> knots?
> > >> we are deadly in very light airs.  I think the reason is that once we
> > get
> > >> her moving, she doesn?t stop.  Our narrowness and weight play for us
> so
> > >> long as I don?t wiggle around too much.  We accelerate in puffs much
> > more
> > >> slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long
> > way
> > >> in the lulls when they just stop.
> > >>
> > >> There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re
> always
> > in
> > >> a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27, Irwin
> > 31,
> > >> Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF.  There is a Grampion 26 who
> > sometimes
> > >> comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
> > Tanzer
> > >> 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people used
> > to
> > >> make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all
> their
> > >> larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
> > >>
> > >> Gordon Laco
> > >> #426 Surprise
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> > fairly
> > >>> smooth sea?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hello gang -
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > >> habit
> > >>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> > lapse
> > >> on
> > >>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We
> > finished
> > >> 3rd
> > >>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> way
> > >>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well I
> > >> should
> > >>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I feel
> > >> quite
> > >>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> > >> said
> > >>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> > my
> > >>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > >> recall
> > >>>> things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged me,
> > and
> > >>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > >> revealed
> > >>>> that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have
> > had
> > >> the
> > >>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> finish.
> > >> If
> > >>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should
> > have
> > >>>> checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > >>>> committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > >>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One
> time
> > >>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> > >> made
> > >>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> > start
> > >>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > >> catch
> > >>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > >>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> > used
> > >>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> > were
> > >>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds
> behind
> > >> us.
> > >>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of
> all
> > >> that
> > >>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our
> > way
> > >> up
> > >>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > >> things
> > >>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> the
> > >>>> spinnaker...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > >> second.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> so
> > >> it
> > >>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the
> sail.
> > >> We
> > >>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> up
> > >> with
> > >>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> > leeward
> > >>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > >> vermin
> > >>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > >>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> > was
> > >>>> overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> > fine
> > >>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> > windward
> > >>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended up
> > >> 4th in
> > >>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > >> that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gordon Laco
> > >>>> #426 SURPRISE
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 3
> > >> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:42:14 -0400
> > >> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > >>        <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> > >> Message-ID: <E22B198E-A36B-4C68-921C-FB616BF6642D at csolve.net>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
> > >>
> > >> And all that reminds me of when I had the honour of being one of HMS
> > BEE?s
> > >> captains? she?s an apes-War of 1812 replica schooner gunboat.  She
> > could be
> > >> jammed up to seem to point quite high (for a schooner) but the leeway
> up
> > >> there was heartbreaking.
> > >>
> > >> When doing her best, laid off a bit and footing along, I would stand
> by
> > >> the helmsman and look to leeward through the foremast?s shrouds? THAT
> > was
> > >> where we were going, not where the bowsprit was pointing.  But that
> was
> > >> better than what she?d do jammed up as high as she?d point?
> > >>
> > >> Well you have to love gaff rigged schooners for what they are? and
> > there?s
> > >> lots to love... but they don?t sail like sloops can.   That said, I
> > think
> > >> BLUENOSE, the famous Grand Banks schooner, unbeaten during her career,
> > >> still holds the speed record for average speed sailing around a
> > triangular
> > >> course? I think I read she averaged 17 knots: beating, running and
> > >> reaching.
> > >>
> > >> Gordon Laco
> > >> #426 Surprise
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> > fairly
> > >>> smooth sea?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hello gang -
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > >> habit
> > >>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> > lapse
> > >> on
> > >>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We
> > finished
> > >> 3rd
> > >>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> way
> > >>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well I
> > >> should
> > >>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I feel
> > >> quite
> > >>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> > >> said
> > >>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> > my
> > >>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > >> recall
> > >>>> things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged me,
> > and
> > >>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > >> revealed
> > >>>> that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have
> > had
> > >> the
> > >>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> finish.
> > >> If
> > >>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should
> > have
> > >>>> checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > >>>> committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > >>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One
> time
> > >>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> > >> made
> > >>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> > start
> > >>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > >> catch
> > >>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > >>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> > used
> > >>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> > were
> > >>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds
> behind
> > >> us.
> > >>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of
> all
> > >> that
> > >>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our
> > way
> > >> up
> > >>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > >> things
> > >>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> the
> > >>>> spinnaker...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > >> second.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> so
> > >> it
> > >>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the
> sail.
> > >> We
> > >>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> up
> > >> with
> > >>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> > leeward
> > >>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > >> vermin
> > >>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > >>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> > was
> > >>>> overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> > fine
> > >>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> > windward
> > >>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended up
> > >> 4th in
> > >>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > >> that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gordon Laco
> > >>>> #426 SURPRISE
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> These businesses support your Association:
> > >>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > >>>> Please support them.
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>
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> > >> Message: 4
> > >> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 09:06:06 -0400
> > >> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
> > >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > >>        <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> > >> Message-ID:
> > >>        <CALNKNAjp2=QFXkRVaZa-v885Csekb5M0P-Ch-jErd+
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> > >>
> > >> I'm there with pointing, 100 plus a little. So it's full and by no
> > pinch.
> > >> Thank you
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, May 26, 2018, 8:32 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.
> She?ll
> > >>> point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming
> > her
> > >>> up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
> > >>>
> > >>> She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots.   We are competitive
> in
> > >>> that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when
> the
> > >> air
> > >>> is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes.  Funny thing is that we
> come
> > to
> > >>> life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5
> > knots?
> > >>> we are deadly in very light airs.  I think the reason is that once we
> > get
> > >>> her moving, she doesn?t stop.  Our narrowness and weight play for us
> so
> > >>> long as I don?t wiggle around too much.  We accelerate in puffs much
> > more
> > >>> slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long
> > way
> > >>> in the lulls when they just stop.
> > >>>
> > >>> There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re
> always
> > >> in
> > >>> a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27,
> Irwin
> > >> 31,
> > >>> Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF.  There is a Grampion 26 who
> > sometimes
> > >>> comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
> > >> Tanzer
> > >>> 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people
> used
> > to
> > >>> make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all
> > their
> > >>> larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gordon Laco
> > >>> #426 Surprise
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> > >> fairly
> > >>>> smooth sea?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hello gang -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > >>> habit
> > >>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> > >> lapse
> > >>> on
> > >>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We
> > >> finished
> > >>> 3rd
> > >>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> > way
> > >>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well
> I
> > >>> should
> > >>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I
> feel
> > >>> quite
> > >>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when
> I
> > >>> said
> > >>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last
> year?
> > >> my
> > >>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > >>> recall
> > >>>>> things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged
> me,
> > >> and
> > >>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > >>> revealed
> > >>>>> that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have
> > >> had
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> finish.
> > >>> If
> > >>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should
> > >> have
> > >>>>> checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > >>>>> committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > >>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One
> > time
> > >>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato
> beeps
> > >>> made
> > >>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> > >> start
> > >>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > >>> catch
> > >>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > >>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> > >> used
> > >>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> > >> were
> > >>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds
> behind
> > >>> us.
> > >>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of
> > all
> > >>> that
> > >>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our
> > >> way
> > >>> up
> > >>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > >>> things
> > >>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> the
> > >>>>> spinnaker...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > >>> second.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> > so
> > >>> it
> > >>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the
> sail.
> > >>> We
> > >>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> > up
> > >>> with
> > >>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> > >> leeward
> > >>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > >>> vermin
> > >>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the
> custom
> > >>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us
> and
> > >> was
> > >>>>> overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> > >> fine
> > >>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> > >> windward
> > >>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended
> up
> > >>> 4th in
> > >>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > >>> that.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Gordon Laco
> > >>>>> #426 SURPRISE
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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