[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3646, Issue 2
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Mon May 28 08:42:38 PDT 2018
Zack,
You are absolutely correct. Furling is furling… not reefing...
Gordon Laco
www.gordonlaco.com
> On May 28, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Zachary Smith via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Furlers have terrible sailshape at anything but 100% out. No way around it.
>
> To add to the matter, flying a furler "reefed" is possible but the Furler
> and sail aren't designed for that.
>
> The marketing crap might say it is, but it isn't.
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 5:52 AM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> message 1
>> Thanks for the reply, my genoa is a 170 and my main was reefed and flat.
>> Guess I need to invest in a small headsail (100%) to use on windy days??
>>
>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 7:41 AM, <public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org>
>> wrote:
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>>> Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 07:41:31 -0400
>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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>>> Good morning -
>>>
>>> I?d suggest that you were underpowered? and a rolled headsail results in
>> a
>>> very poorly shaped headsail delivering more heeling force than forward
>>> drive. It is not possible to sail well with a partially rolled
>>> headsail.
>>>
>>> What size is your genoa when normally set? If it is a 150 or less, you?d
>>> have been better off with it set normally, but with the sheet leads
>> shifted
>>> aft slightly to induce twist, and the halyard housed hard to pull draft
>>> forward. The trouble with partially rolling the sail is that you end up
>>> with a baggy sail with the draft in the wrong place? sometimes causing
>> more
>>> trouble than a larger flatter sail.
>>>
>>> Was your reefed main flat? A poorly reefed main can actually cause more
>>> heeling forces than an unreeled one. In addition, if the main isn?t
>> reefed
>>> so it is flatter than a full main, you?ll end up with a lot of weather
>>> helm? the boat will have to drag her rudder through the water and that
>> saps
>>> speed.
>>>
>>> Forgive me if your main was well reefed? but I have seen many poorly
>>> reefed mains? a properly reefed sail doesn?t need it?s reef points tied
>> at
>>> all? all the load is on the reef clew which draws the new foot of the
>> sail
>>> hard up against the boom. If there is any load on the reef points at
>> all,
>>> then the clew reef line is too slack, resulting in a baggy sail. The
>> only
>>> thing the reef points should do is bunch up the bunt or loose fabric of
>> the
>>> reefed sail so you can see under it? nothing else.
>>>
>>> Taken all together, the upshot of this is that if a boat has shortened
>>> sail too much for the conditions, and the means of shortening sail
>> prevents
>>> what sail is still set from driving her along, she?ll feel unhappy? if
>>> there?s a chop, she?ll lack power to drive through it. If she?s beating,
>>> she won?t point and will feel soggy? if she?s racing, the fleet will draw
>>> away? if she?s cruising, well she won?t get where she wants to go with
>> much
>>> grace and pleasure?
>>>
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> #426 Surprise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Raced my A30 in 20 knt. winds yesterday, had a single reef in main and
>>>> rolled genoa up to 100%. couldnt sail well with the chop any
>> suggestions
>>>> Rainbow A30
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 9:06 AM, <public-list-request at lists.
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>>>>> 1. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
>>>>> 2. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
>>>>> 3. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
>>>>> 4. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 06:33:08 -0400
>>>>> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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>>>>>
>>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
>>> fairly
>>>>> smooth sea?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello gang -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
>>> habit
>>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
>> lapse
>>>>> on
>>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
>> finished
>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
>> way
>>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
>>>>> should
>>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
>>>>> quite
>>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
>>> said
>>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
>> my
>>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
>>> recall
>>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me,
>>> and
>>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
>>> revealed
>>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
>> had
>>>>> the
>>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
>>> If
>>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
>> have
>>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
>>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
>>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
>> time
>>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
>>> made
>>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
>>> start
>>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
>>> catch
>>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
>>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
>> used
>>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
>> were
>>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds behind
>>> us.
>>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
>> all
>>>>> that
>>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
>> way
>>>>> up
>>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
>>> things
>>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
>>>>>> spinnaker...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
>>> second.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
>> so
>>> it
>>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the sail.
>>> We
>>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
>> up
>>>>> with
>>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
>>> leeward
>>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
>>>>> vermin
>>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
>>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
>>> was
>>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
>> fine
>>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
>>> windward
>>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up
>>> 4th
>>>>> in
>>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:31:52 -0400
>>>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
>>>>> Message-ID: <E1D2CE4B-3185-4520-A476-CDAA1D58D7F2 at csolve.net>
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>>>>>
>>>>> With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.
>> She?ll
>>>>> point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming
>>> her
>>>>> up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
>>>>>
>>>>> She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots. We are competitive
>> in
>>>>> that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when the
>>> air
>>>>> is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes. Funny thing is that we come
>>> to
>>>>> life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5
>> knots?
>>>>> we are deadly in very light airs. I think the reason is that once we
>>> get
>>>>> her moving, she doesn?t stop. Our narrowness and weight play for us
>> so
>>>>> long as I don?t wiggle around too much. We accelerate in puffs much
>>> more
>>>>> slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long
>>> way
>>>>> in the lulls when they just stop.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re
>> always
>>> in
>>>>> a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27, Irwin
>>> 31,
>>>>> Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF. There is a Grampion 26 who
>>> sometimes
>>>>> comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
>>> Tanzer
>>>>> 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people used
>>> to
>>>>> make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all
>> their
>>>>> larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
>>> fairly
>>>>>> smooth sea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello gang -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
>>>>> habit
>>>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
>>> lapse
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
>>> finished
>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
>> way
>>>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
>>>>> should
>>>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
>>>>> said
>>>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
>>> my
>>>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
>>>>> recall
>>>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me,
>>> and
>>>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
>>>>> revealed
>>>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
>>> had
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
>> finish.
>>>>> If
>>>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
>>> have
>>>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
>>>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
>>>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
>> time
>>>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
>>> start
>>>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
>>>>> catch
>>>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
>>>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
>>> used
>>>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
>>> were
>>>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds
>> behind
>>>>> us.
>>>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
>> all
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
>>> way
>>>>> up
>>>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
>>>>> things
>>>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
>> the
>>>>>>> spinnaker...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
>>>>> second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
>> so
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the
>> sail.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
>> up
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
>>> leeward
>>>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
>>>>> vermin
>>>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
>>>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
>>> was
>>>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
>>> fine
>>>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
>>> windward
>>>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up
>>>>> 4th in
>>>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:42:14 -0400
>>>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
>>>>> Message-ID: <E22B198E-A36B-4C68-921C-FB616BF6642D at csolve.net>
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>>>>>
>>>>> And all that reminds me of when I had the honour of being one of HMS
>>> BEE?s
>>>>> captains? she?s an apes-War of 1812 replica schooner gunboat. She
>>> could be
>>>>> jammed up to seem to point quite high (for a schooner) but the leeway
>> up
>>>>> there was heartbreaking.
>>>>>
>>>>> When doing her best, laid off a bit and footing along, I would stand
>> by
>>>>> the helmsman and look to leeward through the foremast?s shrouds? THAT
>>> was
>>>>> where we were going, not where the bowsprit was pointing. But that
>> was
>>>>> better than what she?d do jammed up as high as she?d point?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well you have to love gaff rigged schooners for what they are? and
>>> there?s
>>>>> lots to love... but they don?t sail like sloops can. That said, I
>>> think
>>>>> BLUENOSE, the famous Grand Banks schooner, unbeaten during her career,
>>>>> still holds the speed record for average speed sailing around a
>>> triangular
>>>>> course? I think I read she averaged 17 knots: beating, running and
>>>>> reaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
>>> fairly
>>>>>> smooth sea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello gang -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
>>>>> habit
>>>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
>>> lapse
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
>>> finished
>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
>> way
>>>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
>>>>> should
>>>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
>>>>> said
>>>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
>>> my
>>>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
>>>>> recall
>>>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me,
>>> and
>>>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
>>>>> revealed
>>>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
>>> had
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
>> finish.
>>>>> If
>>>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
>>> have
>>>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
>>>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
>>>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
>> time
>>>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
>>> start
>>>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
>>>>> catch
>>>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
>>>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
>>> used
>>>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
>>> were
>>>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds
>> behind
>>>>> us.
>>>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
>> all
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
>>> way
>>>>> up
>>>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
>>>>> things
>>>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
>> the
>>>>>>> spinnaker...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
>>>>> second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
>> so
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the
>> sail.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
>> up
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
>>> leeward
>>>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
>>>>> vermin
>>>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
>>>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
>>> was
>>>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
>>> fine
>>>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
>>> windward
>>>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up
>>>>> 4th in
>>>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 09:06:06 -0400
>>>>> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
>>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>>
>>>>> I'm there with pointing, 100 plus a little. So it's full and by no
>>> pinch.
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 26, 2018, 8:32 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.
>> She?ll
>>>>>> point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming
>>> her
>>>>>> up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots. We are competitive
>> in
>>>>>> that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when
>> the
>>>>> air
>>>>>> is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes. Funny thing is that we
>> come
>>> to
>>>>>> life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5
>>> knots?
>>>>>> we are deadly in very light airs. I think the reason is that once we
>>> get
>>>>>> her moving, she doesn?t stop. Our narrowness and weight play for us
>> so
>>>>>> long as I don?t wiggle around too much. We accelerate in puffs much
>>> more
>>>>>> slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long
>>> way
>>>>>> in the lulls when they just stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re
>> always
>>>>> in
>>>>>> a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27,
>> Irwin
>>>>> 31,
>>>>>> Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF. There is a Grampion 26 who
>>> sometimes
>>>>>> comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
>>>>> Tanzer
>>>>>> 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people
>> used
>>> to
>>>>>> make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all
>>> their
>>>>>> larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
>>>>> fairly
>>>>>>> smooth sea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello gang -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
>>>>>> habit
>>>>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
>>>>> lapse
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
>>>>> finished
>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
>>> way
>>>>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well
>> I
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I
>> feel
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when
>> I
>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last
>> year?
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
>>>>>> recall
>>>>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged
>> me,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
>>>>>> revealed
>>>>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
>>>>> had
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
>> finish.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
>>>>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
>>>>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
>>> time
>>>>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato
>> beeps
>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
>>>>> start
>>>>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
>>>>>> catch
>>>>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
>>>>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds
>> behind
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
>>> all
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
>>>>> way
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
>> the
>>>>>>>> spinnaker...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
>>>>>> second.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
>>> so
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the
>> sail.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
>>> up
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
>>>>> leeward
>>>>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
>>>>>> vermin
>>>>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the
>> custom
>>>>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us
>> and
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
>>>>> fine
>>>>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
>>>>> windward
>>>>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended
>> up
>>>>>> 4th in
>>>>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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