[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3841, Issue 1
Clay Pass
clay.q.pass at gmail.com
Sun Apr 14 12:09:27 PDT 2019
I would be hesitant about through bolting the cutlass bearing bolts. As
you noted, the old ones corroded through or could possibly leaving you with
holes through to the interior and possible sinking. I think I would rather
use threaded inserts as a repair or drill the holes to the next larger size
and tap new threads... My cutlass bearing bolts were nearly corroded
completely away when I did my bearing replacement too.
Clay
#449 Seeing Deep
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:33 AM Randy Weatherspoon via Public-List <
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> Andrew,
> Do you have any pictures of the assembly?
> Thanks
> Randy
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> 1. Re: Stern Tube Bedding (Andrew Johns)
> 2. Re: Stern Tube Bedding (George Dinwiddie)
> 3. Re: Stern Tube Bedding (Jonathan Bresler)
> 4. Re: Stern Tube Bedding (mahseer at kos.net)
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> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 16:47:14 -0400
> From: Andrew Johns <johnsab9 at gmail.com>
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> Thanks for the replies everyone! 5200 it is.
>
> There is a mention of though bolting the cutless bearing housing on the A30
> site.
>
>
> http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/MechanicalPropulsion/CutlessBearing/Thru
> bolted/
> <http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/MechanicalPropulsion/CutlessBearing/Thrubolted/>
>
> This seems like the most secure method, I'm assuming the bolts clear the
> "shelf" below the stuffing box? Anyone know what size bolts they used? My
> boat is 2 hours away or I would measure myself.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 2:55 PM Andrew Johns <johnsab9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John,
> > I do summer dockage and winter storage at The Moorings. I'm currently
> > in the lake side lot, in front of the little house on the right side.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 2:10 PM John Irving via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew, where do you keep your boat in the winter? I recently
> >> replaced my cutless bearing but fortunately didn?t have that difficulty.
> >>
> >> John Irving
> >> Scotch Bonnet #634
> >> Champlain Marina
> >> Colchester, Vt
> >>
> >> > On Apr 8, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hello Hernan?
> >> >
> >> > The threads can be restored with complete integrity by filling the
> >> holes with epoxy thickened with appropriate fibre?. once cured, drill
> >> out the holes a size smaller then run a thread cutting tap in to
> rethread.
> >> >
> >> > That is quite a secure means of re-establishing your fastenings.
> >> >
> >> > Gordon Laco
> >> > SURPRISE 426
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Apr 8, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Hern?n Scarnichia via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> The "threads on the keel" stripped out on my boat.
> >> >> When I hauled out one of the screws was gone and the other I
> >> >> pulled
> >> with my
> >> >> fingers.
> >> >> In my opinion is not a strong design for a part that can see some
> >> >> vibration. But nobody else seems to have had this problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:07 AM Andrew Johns via Public-List <
> >> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Good Morning,
> >> >>> In my rapidly snowballing shaft seal project... I have removed
> >> >>> the
> >> cutlass
> >> >>> bearing housing to replace worn bearing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I removed the bolts holding it to the keel and rotated it with a
> >> >>> pipe wrench in an effort to get it to thread from the stern tube.
> >> Unfortunately
> >> >>> the whole bearing housing and stern tube assembly came out as one
> >> piece.
> >> >>> Fortunately its in good shape but the two pieces are hopelessly
> >> >>> stuck together.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Looking back though the list it appears Whitby used some sort of
> >> caulk to
> >> >>> bond in the assembly? Dolponite? What is the groups thoughts on
> >> using 5200
> >> >>> to reinstall the stern tube/ bearing housing?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Additionally, should I be worried about the threads in the keel
> >> striping
> >> >>> out? It don't appear to have any metal inserts or anything of
> >> >>> that
> >> sort.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> Andrew Johns
> >> >>> Ecola # 104
> >> >>> Colchester VT
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> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 17:03:33 -0400
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> To: Andrew Johns via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Stern Tube Bedding
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> Yes, I tend to publish every alternative approach that doesn't seem
> dangerous. Having now worked on my own, I would not want to through-bolt.
> It's very difficult to access back there, and I've pulled the cutless
> bearing housing off several times over the years.
>
> I don't think the danger is what Rick feared. The water pressure is on the
> outside of the boat, pushing the cutless bearing housing onto it, not away.
> He mentions lag bolts, but on my boat they were machine bolts.
> In any event, if this was such a tenuous construction, then I probably
> would
> have heard about problems.
>
> - George
>
> On 4/8/19 4:47 PM, Andrew Johns via Public-List wrote:
> > Thanks for the replies everyone! 5200 it is.
> >
> > There is a mention of though bolting the cutless bearing housing on
> > the A30 site.
> >
> > http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/MechanicalPropulsion/CutlessBearin
> > g/Thrubolted/
> >
> > This seems like the most secure method, I'm assuming the bolts clear
> > the "shelf" below the stuffing box? Anyone know what size bolts they
> > used? My boat is 2 hours away or I would measure myself.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 2:55 PM Andrew Johns <johnsab9 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >> I do summer dockage and winter storage at The Moorings. I'm
> >> currently in the lake side lot, in front of the little house on the
> right
> side.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 2:10 PM John Irving via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Andrew, where do you keep your boat in the winter? I recently
> >>> replaced my cutless bearing but fortunately didn?t have that
> difficulty.
> >>>
> >>> John Irving
> >>> Scotch Bonnet #634
> >>> Champlain Marina
> >>> Colchester, Vt
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Hernan?
> >>>>
> >>>> The threads can be restored with complete integrity by filling the
> >>> holes with epoxy thickened with appropriate fibre?. once cured,
> >>> drill out the holes a size smaller then run a thread cutting tap in to
> rethread.
> >>>>
> >>>> That is quite a secure means of re-establishing your fastenings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>> SURPRISE 426
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Hern?n Scarnichia via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The "threads on the keel" stripped out on my boat.
> >>>>> When I hauled out one of the screws was gone and the other I
> >>>>> pulled
> >>> with my
> >>>>> fingers.
> >>>>> In my opinion is not a strong design for a part that can see some
> >>>>> vibration. But nobody else seems to have had this problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:07 AM Andrew Johns via Public-List <
> >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Good Morning,
> >>>>>> In my rapidly snowballing shaft seal project... I have removed
> >>>>>> the
> >>> cutlass
> >>>>>> bearing housing to replace worn bearing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I removed the bolts holding it to the keel and rotated it with a
> >>>>>> pipe wrench in an effort to get it to thread from the stern tube.
> >>> Unfortunately
> >>>>>> the whole bearing housing and stern tube assembly came out as one
> >>> piece.
> >>>>>> Fortunately its in good shape but the two pieces are hopelessly
> >>>>>> stuck together.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looking back though the list it appears Whitby used some sort of
> >>> caulk to
> >>>>>> bond in the assembly? Dolponite? What is the groups thoughts on
> >>> using 5200
> >>>>>> to reinstall the stern tube/ bearing housing?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Additionally, should I be worried about the threads in the keel
> >>> striping
> >>>>>> out? It don't appear to have any metal inserts or anything of
> >>>>>> that
> >>> sort.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Andrew Johns
> >>>>>> Ecola # 104
> >>>>>> Colchester VT
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
> >>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> >>>>>> Please support them.
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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 05:42:58 -0400
> From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
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> Andrew,
>
> "the whole bearing housing and stern tube assembly came out as one piece."
>
> Been noodling on this and "how did Whitby align the engine in a production
> facility".
> Wondering if they installed the engine, and the installed the stern tube,
> cutless bearing,
> and housing as one piece, into an oversize hole that was closed up as
> needed. The
> bearing would "self-align" if not forced out of alignment by the sides of
> the hole.
>
> Have not done this myself, so there is some (more than "some"?) speculation
> here.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 3:17 PM Andrew Johns via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Good Morning,
> > In my rapidly snowballing shaft seal project... I have removed the
> cutlass
> > bearing housing to replace worn bearing.
> >
> > I removed the bolts holding it to the keel and rotated it with a pipe
> > wrench in an effort to get it to thread from the stern tube.
> Unfortunately
> > the whole bearing housing and stern tube assembly came out as one piece.
> > Fortunately its in good shape but the two pieces are hopelessly stuck
> > together.
> >
> > Looking back though the list it appears Whitby used some sort of caulk to
> > bond in the assembly? Dolponite? What is the groups thoughts on using
> 5200
> > to reinstall the stern tube/ bearing housing?
> >
> > Additionally, should I be worried about the threads in the keel striping
> > out? It don't appear to have any metal inserts or anything of that sort.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew Johns
> > Ecola # 104
> > Colchester VT
> > _______________________________________________
> > These businesses support your Association:
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>
>
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> Jonathan M Bresler
> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> When I did my stern tube the threads were stripped, I inserted 2 ss
> helicoil
> thread inserts worked great.
> John
> Boor
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Apr 9, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > "the whole bearing housing and stern tube assembly came out as one
> piece."
> >
> > Been noodling on this and "how did Whitby align the engine in a
> production
> > facility".
> > Wondering if they installed the engine, and the installed the stern tube,
> > cutless bearing,
> > and housing as one piece, into an oversize hole that was closed up as
> > needed. The
> > bearing would "self-align" if not forced out of alignment by the sides of
> > the hole.
> >
> > Have not done this myself, so there is some (more than "some"?)
> speculation
> > here.
> >
> > Thoughts anyone?
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 3:17 PM Andrew Johns via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Good Morning,
> >> In my rapidly snowballing shaft seal project... I have removed the
> cutlass
> >> bearing housing to replace worn bearing.
> >>
> >> I removed the bolts holding it to the keel and rotated it with a pipe
> >> wrench in an effort to get it to thread from the stern tube.
> Unfortunately
> >> the whole bearing housing and stern tube assembly came out as one piece.
> >> Fortunately its in good shape but the two pieces are hopelessly stuck
> >> together.
> >>
> >> Looking back though the list it appears Whitby used some sort of caulk
> to
> >> bond in the assembly? Dolponite? What is the groups thoughts on using
> 5200
> >> to reinstall the stern tube/ bearing housing?
> >>
> >> Additionally, should I be worried about the threads in the keel striping
> >> out? It don't appear to have any metal inserts or anything of that
> sort.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Andrew Johns
> >> Ecola # 104
> >> Colchester VT
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> These businesses support your Association:
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan M Bresler
> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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