[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3902, Issue 1
Michael Devonshire
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Wed Aug 21 07:14:44 PDT 2019
Smashing!!!!
I’m intending to change Pickle 619 from white to, well…green. I was terrified about doing it myself. This is very encouraging.
Thanks, Gord.
Michael Devonshire
Director of Conservation
JHPA, Inc.
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Direct: 646-666-9326
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My boat was painted by roller too…
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Got pics?
Sent from my iPhone
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I used Epifannes two part polyeurathane on hull for #481 Rainbow. I brushed
it on and came out like a spray job. Really good paint!?
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Today's Topics:
1. Ettiquette at anchor? (Randy Katz)
2. Re: Ettiquette at anchor? (Wehicks)
3. Re: Ettiquette at anchor? (Gordon Laco)
4. Re: cabin top traveller (Andrew Johns)
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 20:50:15 -0700
From: Randy Katz <randy.katz50 at gmail.com<mailto:randy.katz50 at gmail.com>>
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Greetings, 'Bergers,
Gordon's story below reminded me of a concern we're always a bit unsure
about. We seem plagued by noisy generators on nearby boats, as I'm sure
others have experienced. Watmough Bay on south Lopez Island, WA., a couple
of weeks ago--Nearly all sailboats, ah, nice and quiet. Until another
sailboat-- :( --with its gen exhaust pointed right at us starts ripping
away... for 2 hours around dinner time.
I'm an adult, I can figure these things out, but I'm curious about the
response of others. Does one dare ask to the skipper how long such an
intrusion is expected to continue, by way of giving a hint? Is it
preferable to pull up anchor and move? Is it best even so to adopt a zen
attitude and endure till the end? When will modern electrical management
systems, LEDs, etc. become pervasive enough to reduce gen use? Not in my
lifetime, I'm afraid.
And then sometimes at 7 in the morning, too!
We often anchor far off from other vessels knowing this problem will come
up. We go to the beautiful places for peace and quiet, not for listening to
engines running on and on.
Any experiences or suggestions would be welcomed.
Many Thanks,
Randy Katz
#249 Simple Gifts
Seattle/Bellingham, WA
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:04:10 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net<mailto:mainstay at csolve.net>>
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Subject: [Public-List] Cruising...
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So there we were on Friday morning? the usual tornado that are my business
ventures seemed under control? so we decided to make it a long weekend and
escape up the coast in the boat.
We loaded up with ice, food, treats and a ginger beer called ?Crabby?s?
we?ve become addicted to.
Severn Sound was under dead calm conditions so we motored away without
remorse about not sailing. At 5.8 knots we got up to our favourite
anchorage in 2.5 hours. Ya, it?s not sailing, but on the other hand
serious lounging at anchor...
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:12:08 -0500
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Send a picture of the crabby bottle. I would like to try.
Walter.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2019, at 10:50 PM, Randy Katz via Public-List <
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Greetings, 'Bergers,
Gordon's story below reminded me of a concern we're always a bit unsure
about. We seem plagued by noisy generators on nearby boats, as I'm sure
others have experienced. Watmough Bay on south Lopez Island, WA., a
couple
of weeks ago--Nearly all sailboats, ah, nice and quiet. Until another
sailboat-- :( --with its gen exhaust pointed right at us starts ripping
away... for 2 hours around dinner time.
I'm an adult, I can figure these things out, but I'm curious about the
response of others. Does one dare ask to the skipper how long such an
intrusion is expected to continue, by way of giving a hint? Is it
preferable to pull up anchor and move? Is it best even so to adopt a zen
attitude and endure till the end? When will modern electrical management
systems, LEDs, etc. become pervasive enough to reduce gen use? Not in my
lifetime, I'm afraid.
And then sometimes at 7 in the morning, too!
We often anchor far off from other vessels knowing this problem will come
up. We go to the beautiful places for peace and quiet, not for listening
to
engines running on and on.
Any experiences or suggestions would be welcomed.
Many Thanks,
Randy Katz
#249 Simple Gifts
Seattle/Bellingham, WA
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:04:10 -0400
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Subject: [Public-List] Cruising...
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So there we were on Friday morning? the usual tornado that are my
business
ventures seemed under control? so we decided to make it a long weekend
and
escape up the coast in the boat.
We loaded up with ice, food, treats and a ginger beer called ?Crabby?s?
we?ve become addicted to.
Severn Sound was under dead calm conditions so we motored away without
remorse about not sailing. At 5.8 knots we got up to our favourite
anchorage in 2.5 hours. Ya, it?s not sailing, but on the other hand
serious lounging at anchor...
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 08:24:52 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ettiquette at anchor?
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Here it is Walter?
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Hello Randy - use of gen sets in otherwise quiet anchorages is a growing
problem. I try to ignore them unless their use is especially obnoxious,
such as in the case of a large black hulled motor cruiser who joined us in
a cove with us last year. We were the only two boats there, yet they chose
to moor themselves to the shore literally within thirty feet of our port
side. They proceed to start up their generator, then their air
conditioning then put a loud professional sports game on their TV. Why go
to a wilderness anchorage if they wanted to watch sports on TV?
Later when they emerged on deck I engaged them in conversation and in the
course of that, asked them how long they would be running their generator.
Their response was foul and aggressive. We moved when they started running
a jet ski at high speed in the tiny cove.
But perhaps there is justice in the universe. Last winter at the Toronto
Int?l Boat Show I was in my display with my usual neighbours, one of whom
is an operator of marinas. We began sharing stories of inconsiderate
?boaters? (hate that term, a boater is a hat?) Low and behold, they knew
the people with the black hulled stinkpot. In the months after our
encounter with them, they?d run afoul of their home marina for non-payment
of fees and objectionable behaviour involving noise? then another marina
for non-payment for expensive cosmetic remodelling of their boat. The
result of all this was that their boat had been legally seized from them.
Hurrumph, says I. Yes, I feel a little guilty for being quietly pleased.
On a similar vein, last summer we witnessed a huge and fast powerboat
doing a full-on Rodney Dangerfield charging up Severn Sound blaring his
horn and near missing several boats as he weaved through the sunday
afternoon homeward bound fleet while towing a huge wake. I caught the
name of his boat, and made a project of hunting it down in the local
marinas? PAINFUL PLEASURE was a tenant nearby. I reported him to the
police with a detailed description of what had happened. The police told
me they visited him and had a ?conversation? which they reckoned made an
impression. I didn?t press for charges to be laid, but I could have.
Some months later, in my professional capacity as national distributor for
Epifanes marine coatings, I received a call from the same marina reporting
a client needing advice for a painting job he was doing. The boat was near
enough for me to make a personal visit... Guess who it was...
I helped him out with his issue and in the course of the inspection got to
know him a little. He was of course new to boat ownership and clearly loved
his monstrous powerboat. I commented that I was a sailor and kept my boat
at the sailing club nearby? he murmured ?I don?t think sailors like me very
much?. So I drew a breath and told him it was I who called the police on
him the previous summer, and told him why. He apologized? clearly the
cops had indeed made an impression on him. I believe this particular
inconsiderate boat operator is in the category of most of them? he just had
no idea what mayhem and danger he was out there? well now he knows.
Gordon Laco
426 Surprise
On Aug 20, 2019, at 2:12 AM, Wehicks via Public-List <
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Send a picture of the crabby bottle. I would like to try.
Walter.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2019, at 10:50 PM, Randy Katz via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
Greetings, 'Bergers,
Gordon's story below reminded me of a concern we're always a bit unsure
about. We seem plagued by noisy generators on nearby boats, as I'm sure
others have experienced. Watmough Bay on south Lopez Island, WA., a
couple
of weeks ago--Nearly all sailboats, ah, nice and quiet. Until another
sailboat-- :( --with its gen exhaust pointed right at us starts ripping
away... for 2 hours around dinner time.
I'm an adult, I can figure these things out, but I'm curious about the
response of others. Does one dare ask to the skipper how long such an
intrusion is expected to continue, by way of giving a hint? Is it
preferable to pull up anchor and move? Is it best even so to adopt a zen
attitude and endure till the end? When will modern electrical management
systems, LEDs, etc. become pervasive enough to reduce gen use? Not in my
lifetime, I'm afraid.
And then sometimes at 7 in the morning, too!
We often anchor far off from other vessels knowing this problem will
come
up. We go to the beautiful places for peace and quiet, not for
listening to
engines running on and on.
Any experiences or suggestions would be welcomed.
Many Thanks,
Randy Katz
#249 Simple Gifts
Seattle/Bellingham, WA
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:04:10 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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So there we were on Friday morning? the usual tornado that are my
business
ventures seemed under control? so we decided to make it a long weekend
and
escape up the coast in the boat.
We loaded up with ice, food, treats and a ginger beer called ?Crabby?s?
we?ve become addicted to.
Severn Sound was under dead calm conditions so we motored away without
remorse about not sailing. At 5.8 knots we got up to our favourite
anchorage in 2.5 hours. Ya, it?s not sailing, but on the other hand
serious lounging at anchor...
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The primary reason for a cabin top mounted traveler is to allow for a
decent bimini and dodger setup that can be used while sailing.
Additionally, it allows for extra room in the cockpit.
We have had a cabin top mounted traveler on #104 since 2002. We have a
Garhauer traveler mounted on teak riser blocks over the rear of the sea
hood. In my experience, the masonite cored deck on the earlier boats is
plenty strong enough for a traveler. No signs of distortion or stress
cracking.
The purchase on the mainsheet was increased to 6:1 in our setup.
Occasionally we use the cabin top winch to help sheet in when close-hauled.
A few things to keep in mind the force on the boom is not a single point
load, it's applied over the length of the boom with the load reducing as
you move farther out (providing you don't have a loose foot main). Moving
the attachment point from the end to the middle would not double the stress
in the boom. It would double the stress in the mainsheet but not the boom.
Andrew
Ecola #104
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 8:52 AM Don Campbell via Public-List <
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Hi Walter:
This is about your comment to go to a cabin top traveller. Really
consider the forces you are changing when you think about doing that.
Firstly: you change the moment of the force on the boom from now 14?6? to
about half of that. That means you will double all the other force
requirements for the track and blocks, gooseneck, and boom. So if you
are
now happy with the designed 4:1 on the main , you will have to go to at
least 8:1 for the same pull on the sheet. It will also mean you change
the
forces on the boom, mast track, and the sail itself. In fact getting a
method to hold the connection to the boom for the mainsheet blocks
without
compromising boom strength and still able to withstand the extra forces
is
a real challenge. When a boom breaks in half, it is not a very pretty
situation with sail and boom end flapping around your head. Secondly: The
cabin top has not been designed to take the upward force that this
proposed
change will incur. While the builders have not known what fiberglass
would
do, so they overbuilt things, changing the structural component to try to
do this change was not a part of the design or serendipity that we have
enjoyed with a strong hull (which is different from the cabin top and
deck). Thirdly: you will change sail shape and have a leech that will
always be open because you will lose control of the end of the boom, This
will offer more opportunity for a luffing leech and that is not an easy
sail for power. Lastly, you will have made the boat not class legal and
so
it can never be sold to anyone who might want to race her.
I have no idea why one would want to change the traveller position,
but if it is because the original equipment is slow, sticky or just
awkward, then consider changing to a new track system and leave it where
it
is now. Hardware manufacturers do a really good job now of making things
so
they work in all conditions, and I know we have Albergs with new gear on
them. I put Harken on #528 twenty years ago now and I still like the
system. I know others who have used Garhauer and they like that too.
Really
consider the change at boom end. I am also sure that if Carl were alive
today and designing boats, or even commenting on refits, he would be
using
today?s hardware because it is functional , well built and safe.
Don
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