[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3888, Issue 3
Jay Denmark
ao3denmark at gmail.com
Sat Jul 27 09:45:07 PDT 2019
Hello,
I'm also an Alberg 30 (#293) owner and I'm located in Belhaven, at MM #136
at a great mooring point in Pungo Creek. We also have enough room at our
dock if you ever need to tie up for any reason.
I bought mine about 6 weeks ago from someone in Oriental and just moved
her 4 weeks ago through Hobucken cut.
Just wanted to introduce myself.
Cheers,
Jay Denmark
Alert #293
On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 2:47 PM Michael Connolly via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Sheldon,
> Glad you posted. I noticed that you raced in the latest Pariot Head
> Regatta from New Bern to Oriental. John Jackson in his Tartan 34 mentioned
> he passed an Alberg 30 on the way down river. I would like to get in touch
> with you and share experiences. My boat is hull #133. We just moved into
> the Fairfield Harbour neighborhood. The Alberg is still in Michigan, but we
> will relocate once we get organized here in New Bern. Please send your
> contact information off list so we can get together. Michael Connolly
> crufone at comcast.net.
>
> > On August 1, 2019 at 12:27 PM Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I repowered Rainbow #481 with a beta 16 diesel and a 3 blade prop. While
> at
> > it I replaced fuel tank with a 23gal. custom fit aluminum tank and all
> new
> > exhaust. The old thru hulls for cockpit drains had to be moved slightly
> > outboard and the stringers were reinforced with fg mat for the motor
> > mounts. The A4 that I had was original and ran but I don't like a gas
> bomb
> > under my feet. Also the gas engine was running hot and I tried everything
> > short of disassemble to get it to run cool.
> > The diesel is sweet and glad I swapped out for it as fuel consumption is
> > minimal are a quart an hour at 2k rpm. I don't miss my anemic 4
> > Sheldon
> > Rainbow A30 #481
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 8:53 PM <public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org>
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: Engine and Prop (Ryan)
> > > 2. Re: Engine and Prop (Michael Connolly)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:15:42 -0500
> > > From: Ryan <rnkiefer at gmail.com>
> > > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <CABBm-kHtOUrk_KhYAcCHy=3LiaKHeJwLYRN1pEAkyVr7=
> > > XQ+yw at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Thank you everybody for the warm welcome and replies! Gordon, Don,
> Michael,
> > > you?ve all convinced me to stay inboard. The reliability of the engine
> > > (when properly maintained) and boat maneuverability was a big deal,
> and I
> > > do like the idea of keeping the boat as original as possible, both for
> > > myself and for the next owner. Hopefully I can fix the A4 to a high
> > > standard; it is still running fine with the work I?ve done so far but I
> > > won?t trust it until I dig deeper and see what sort of shape the
> internals
> > > are in, particularly if there has been corrosion. Thank you Don for
> > > pointing that out, it has been in brackish water for the past several
> years
> > > so hopefully it hasn?t been too bad. It sounds like the A4 shouldn?t be
> > > hard to maintain as long as I can start off right with it, and I?ve
> got a
> > > bunch of spare parts already. If I can?t save the A4 I may look into
> diesel
> > > for the fuel efficiency for longer range motoring. Thank you Eric for
> your
> > > Beta Marine suggestion, I will look into it. And Thank you Gordon for
> your
> > > troubleshooting tale!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regarding the Prop, I will look at Propcalc (thanks again Don) and see
> what
> > > I should look at. I?ve also got a local prop shop I will visit. I did
> find
> > > a suspiciously cheap prop designed for the Atomic 4 engine here:
> > > http://www.atomic4.com/propeller.html , anybody know what this is? I
> would
> > > generally prefer a 2 blade but wouldn?t rule out 3 blades.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:38 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Come on now, Gord.
> > > > You cant throw out "photos of SURPRISE reefing her old mainsail
> while on
> > > a
> > > > Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website"
> > > > and then not provide a URL!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:08 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > BLOODY HELL! Is nothing secret any longer?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well what happened there was this.
> > > > >
> > > > > We were happily motoring along when the engine stopped like
> someone had
> > > > > turned off the ignition. What ho, thought I. Hmm, perhaps a
> speck
> > > of
> > > > > dirt in the carb.
> > > > >
> > > > > Off came the carb, I took it apart, cleaned everything with
> solvent,
> > > put
> > > > > it back together and reinstalled it. Tried the engine, nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm. I pulled #1 plug and after insulating my hand with a rag
> (good
> > > > > thinking, eh?) had Caroline hit the starter. No spark.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well that makes sense. If the problem was dirt in the carb, the
> engine
> > > > > would have sputtered a bit before conking out. It must be
> electrical.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I decided to check the easy stuff first... off come the spark
> plug
> > > > > leads one by one? all clean both ends. Off comes the lead from the
> > > coil
> > > > to
> > > > > the centre of the distributor? AHA! The coil end was covered in
> > > > corrosion
> > > > > and powder.
> > > > >
> > > > > A few swipes with my little brass brush and back in it went? engine
> > > > > started like nothing had happened and away we went. Didn?t have
> to
> > > look
> > > > > at the points because I tried the easy stuff first? clever, no?
> > > > >
> > > > > I?ve since replaced all the leads, which I think were originals.
> > > > >
> > > > > So have you folks seen the photos of SURPRISE reefing her old
> mainsail
> > > > > while on a Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website? We
> > > were
> > > > a
> > > > > couple miles out years ago when we where outbound? I had no idea my
> > > > friend
> > > > > Ken Woods on Midland Point was taking pictures with his
> store-bought
> > > > camera
> > > > > that was practically looking over my shoulder from that far away?
> I
> > > > guess
> > > > > I?ll have to bear all this surveillance in mind next time I get the
> > > urge
> > > > to
> > > > > scratch my bum or whatever while sailing?.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gordon Laco
> > > > > #426 Surprise
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Rod Symmes via Public-List <
> > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, Rats ! I wasn't quick enough off the mark. I was about to
> > > confirm
> > > > > the "dumbfounded" remark but then Gord got in his rebuttal before I
> > > could
> > > > > relate that he had been seen motoring on Friday about 2 miles out
> and
> > > > then
> > > > > drifting in the steamer channel for about 30 minutes . When the
> sound
> > > of
> > > > > head scratching and muttering in the bilge had gone on long enough
> I
> > > > > thought I had better go out and see what he needed. Before I
> could get
> > > > the
> > > > > oars in the locks Gord fired up the engine once more and roared
> off out
> > > > the
> > > > > channel--- which, I guess proves Gord's contention that << I very
> > > much
> > > > > like my A4 and have never yet not been able to resolve whatever is
> > > > > happening with it. >> given enough head scratching and muttering.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers, Rod
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > ~~~~~~~_/) _/) ~~~~~~~
> > > > > > ~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Public-List <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org> on
> behalf
> > > > of
> > > > > Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > > > Sent: July 31, 2019 9:53 AM
> > > > > > To: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>; Alberg 30 Public
> List --
> > > > > open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > > > Cc: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree with all except ?dumbfounded?? I very much like my A4 and
> > > have
> > > > > never yet not been able to resolve whatever is happening with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basic maintenance avoids nearly all potential issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gordon Laco
> > > > > > #426 Surprise
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Jul 31, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ryan,
> > > > > >> I know James Baldwin and his work. The quality of what he does
> is
> > > > FIRST
> > > > > RATE. He
> > > > > >> NEVER begins a conversion until he has a confirmed buyer. Then
> he
> > > > finds
> > > > > a boat
> > > > > >> and does the conversion. If you attempt to do a conversion and
> do
> > > not
> > > > > do a top
> > > > > >> shelf job, forget ever reselling your boat. Outboards in Alberg
> 30's
> > > > is
> > > > > a NICHE
> > > > > >> market.......................a VERY small niche.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Atomic 4's are simple, reliable, and "Falling off a log" easy to
> > > keep
> > > > > running. Except for Gord who is often dumbfounded by
> > > > > them...................sorry Gord I couldn't resist.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> My opinion keep the inboard unless you desire the
> characteristics of
> > > > > what the outboard offers. Speak at length with James Baldwin and
> learn
> > > > > what is involved and what resulting handling to expect afterwards.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I would not think that the conversion is a less expensive route
> that
> > > > > fixing what you already have.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Michael #133........... Gray Marine Yeah!
> > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > >> These businesses support your Association:
> > > > > >> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > > > >> Please support them.
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> > > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jonathan M Bresler
> > > > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > > > Annapolis/Eastport MD
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Ryan Kiefer
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:41:29 -0400 (EDT)
> > > From: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> > > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
> > > Message-ID: <439350277.367690.1564598489670 at connect.xfinity.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > Ryan,
> > > Ask around and most likely you can find a decent used A 4 prop, perhaps
> > > even within this group. I have been lucky in the past and a guy gave
> me a
> > > decent prop for my Grey Marine. Diameter, pitch and shaft hole size
> and
> > > search E-bay under vintage Sailboat hardware.
> > > Best to you,
> > > Michael
> > > > On July 31, 2019 at 2:15 PM Ryan via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you everybody for the warm welcome and replies! Gordon, Don,
> > > Michael,
> > > > you?ve all convinced me to stay inboard. The reliability of the
> engine
> > > > (when properly maintained) and boat maneuverability was a big deal,
> and I
> > > > do like the idea of keeping the boat as original as possible, both
> for
> > > > myself and for the next owner. Hopefully I can fix the A4 to a high
> > > > standard; it is still running fine with the work I?ve done so far
> but I
> > > > won?t trust it until I dig deeper and see what sort of shape the
> > > internals
> > > > are in, particularly if there has been corrosion. Thank you Don for
> > > > pointing that out, it has been in brackish water for the past several
> > > years
> > > > so hopefully it hasn?t been too bad. It sounds like the A4 shouldn?t
> be
> > > > hard to maintain as long as I can start off right with it, and I?ve
> got a
> > > > bunch of spare parts already. If I can?t save the A4 I may look into
> > > diesel
> > > > for the fuel efficiency for longer range motoring. Thank you Eric for
> > > your
> > > > Beta Marine suggestion, I will look into it. And Thank you Gordon for
> > > your
> > > > troubleshooting tale!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the Prop, I will look at Propcalc (thanks again Don) and
> see
> > > what
> > > > I should look at. I?ve also got a local prop shop I will visit. I did
> > > find
> > > > a suspiciously cheap prop designed for the Atomic 4 engine here:
> > > > http://www.atomic4.com/propeller.html , anybody know what this is? I
> > > would
> > > > generally prefer a 2 blade but wouldn?t rule out 3 blades.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:38 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Come on now, Gord.
> > > > > You cant throw out "photos of SURPRISE reefing her old mainsail
> while
> > > on a
> > > > > Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website"
> > > > > and then not provide a URL!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:08 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > BLOODY HELL! Is nothing secret any longer?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well what happened there was this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We were happily motoring along when the engine stopped like
> someone
> > > had
> > > > > > turned off the ignition. What ho, thought I. Hmm, perhaps a
> > > speck of
> > > > > > dirt in the carb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Off came the carb, I took it apart, cleaned everything with
> solvent,
> > > put
> > > > > > it back together and reinstalled it. Tried the engine, nothing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmm. I pulled #1 plug and after insulating my hand with a rag
> (good
> > > > > > thinking, eh?) had Caroline hit the starter. No spark.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well that makes sense. If the problem was dirt in the carb, the
> > > engine
> > > > > > would have sputtered a bit before conking out. It must be
> > > electrical.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, I decided to check the easy stuff first... off come the spark
> > > plug
> > > > > > leads one by one? all clean both ends. Off comes the lead from
> the
> > > coil
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the centre of the distributor? AHA! The coil end was covered in
> > > > > corrosion
> > > > > > and powder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few swipes with my little brass brush and back in it went?
> engine
> > > > > > started like nothing had happened and away we went. Didn?t
> have to
> > > look
> > > > > > at the points because I tried the easy stuff first? clever, no?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I?ve since replaced all the leads, which I think were originals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So have you folks seen the photos of SURPRISE reefing her old
> > > mainsail
> > > > > > while on a Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website?
> We
> > > were
> > > > > a
> > > > > > couple miles out years ago when we where outbound? I had no idea
> my
> > > > > friend
> > > > > > Ken Woods on Midland Point was taking pictures with his
> store-bought
> > > > > camera
> > > > > > that was practically looking over my shoulder from that far
> away? I
> > > > > guess
> > > > > > I?ll have to bear all this surveillance in mind next time I get
> the
> > > urge
> > > > > to
> > > > > > scratch my bum or whatever while sailing?.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gordon Laco
> > > > > > #426 Surprise
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Rod Symmes via Public-List <
> > > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh, Rats ! I wasn't quick enough off the mark. I was about to
> > > confirm
> > > > > > the "dumbfounded" remark but then Gord got in his rebuttal
> before I
> > > could
> > > > > > relate that he had been seen motoring on Friday about 2 miles
> out and
> > > > > then
> > > > > > drifting in the steamer channel for about 30 minutes . When the
> > > sound of
> > > > > > head scratching and muttering in the bilge had gone on long
> enough I
> > > > > > thought I had better go out and see what he needed. Before I
> could
> > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > oars in the locks Gord fired up the engine once more and roared
> off
> > > out
> > > > > the
> > > > > > channel--- which, I guess proves Gord's contention that << I
> very
> > > much
> > > > > > like my A4 and have never yet not been able to resolve whatever
> is
> > > > > > happening with it. >> given enough head scratching and
> muttering.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers, Rod
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~_/) _/) ~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > ~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: Public-List <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org> on
> > > behalf
> > > > > of
> > > > > > Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: July 31, 2019 9:53 AM
> > > > > > > To: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>; Alberg 30 Public
> List
> > > --
> > > > > > open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree with all except ?dumbfounded?? I very much like my A4
> and
> > > have
> > > > > > never yet not been able to resolve whatever is happening with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Basic maintenance avoids nearly all potential issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gordon Laco
> > > > > > > #426 Surprise
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Jul 31, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List
> <
> > > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Ryan,
> > > > > > >> I know James Baldwin and his work. The quality of what he
> does is
> > > > > FIRST
> > > > > > RATE. He
> > > > > > >> NEVER begins a conversion until he has a confirmed buyer.
> Then he
> > > > > finds
> > > > > > a boat
> > > > > > >> and does the conversion. If you attempt to do a conversion
> and do
> > > not
> > > > > > do a top
> > > > > > >> shelf job, forget ever reselling your boat. Outboards in
> Alberg
> > > 30's
> > > > > is
> > > > > > a NICHE
> > > > > > >> market.......................a VERY small niche.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Atomic 4's are simple, reliable, and "Falling off a log" easy
> to
> > > keep
> > > > > > running. Except for Gord who is often dumbfounded by
> > > > > > them...................sorry Gord I couldn't resist.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> My opinion keep the inboard unless you desire the
> characteristics
> > > of
> > > > > > what the outboard offers. Speak at length with James Baldwin and
> > > learn
> > > > > > what is involved and what resulting handling to expect
> afterwards.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I would not think that the conversion is a less expensive
> route
> > > that
> > > > > > fixing what you already have.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Michael #133........... Gray Marine Yeah!
> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> These businesses support your Association:
> > > > > > >> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > > > > >> Please support them.
> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> Public-List mailing list
> > > > > > >> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
> > > > > > >>
> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > These businesses support your Association:
> > > > > > > http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > > > > > Please support them.
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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