[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3888, Issue 3
Bill Woodford
will at woodfordlawgroup.com
Wed Jul 31 13:34:03 PDT 2019
Ryan,
Welcome and Congratulations!
My boat had a Graymarine engine in it when I purchased her and I believe
the prop was a two blade 13x7 RH( it may have been a 12x7). It really
moved the boat through the water nicely.
When ethanol killed my engine, I switched to a diesel engine and changed
props. I took my original prop to the Chesapeake Alberg 30 Spring
Rendezvous gathering and flea market this spring. I don't believe the prop
sold at the flea market and Mike Lehman usually takes the leftover items to
Bacons where they are placed on consignment. If Mike hasn't taken the items
yet, he may still have it and you are welcome to it.
I don't know where you are located but Bacons is in Annapolis and they have
all kinds of used boat items including a bin of props.
Enjoy the boat!
Woody
US 11 - Latika
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> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:15:42 -0500
> From: Ryan <rnkiefer at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
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> Thank you everybody for the warm welcome and replies! Gordon, Don, Michael,
> you?ve all convinced me to stay inboard. The reliability of the engine
> (when properly maintained) and boat maneuverability was a big deal, and I
> do like the idea of keeping the boat as original as possible, both for
> myself and for the next owner. Hopefully I can fix the A4 to a high
> standard; it is still running fine with the work I?ve done so far but I
> won?t trust it until I dig deeper and see what sort of shape the internals
> are in, particularly if there has been corrosion. Thank you Don for
> pointing that out, it has been in brackish water for the past several years
> so hopefully it hasn?t been too bad. It sounds like the A4 shouldn?t be
> hard to maintain as long as I can start off right with it, and I?ve got a
> bunch of spare parts already. If I can?t save the A4 I may look into diesel
> for the fuel efficiency for longer range motoring. Thank you Eric for your
> Beta Marine suggestion, I will look into it. And Thank you Gordon for your
> troubleshooting tale!
>
>
>
> Regarding the Prop, I will look at Propcalc (thanks again Don) and see what
> I should look at. I?ve also got a local prop shop I will visit. I did find
> a suspiciously cheap prop designed for the Atomic 4 engine here:
> http://www.atomic4.com/propeller.html , anybody know what this is? I would
> generally prefer a 2 blade but wouldn?t rule out 3 blades.
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:38 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Come on now, Gord.
> > You cant throw out "photos of SURPRISE reefing her old mainsail while on
> a
> > Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website"
> > and then not provide a URL!
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:08 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > BLOODY HELL! Is nothing secret any longer?
> > >
> > > Well what happened there was this.
> > >
> > > We were happily motoring along when the engine stopped like someone had
> > > turned off the ignition. What ho, thought I. Hmm, perhaps a speck
> of
> > > dirt in the carb.
> > >
> > > Off came the carb, I took it apart, cleaned everything with solvent,
> put
> > > it back together and reinstalled it. Tried the engine, nothing.
> > >
> > > Hmm. I pulled #1 plug and after insulating my hand with a rag (good
> > > thinking, eh?) had Caroline hit the starter. No spark.
> > >
> > > Well that makes sense. If the problem was dirt in the carb, the engine
> > > would have sputtered a bit before conking out. It must be electrical.
> > >
> > > So, I decided to check the easy stuff first... off come the spark plug
> > > leads one by one? all clean both ends. Off comes the lead from the
> coil
> > to
> > > the centre of the distributor? AHA! The coil end was covered in
> > corrosion
> > > and powder.
> > >
> > > A few swipes with my little brass brush and back in it went? engine
> > > started like nothing had happened and away we went. Didn?t have to
> look
> > > at the points because I tried the easy stuff first? clever, no?
> > >
> > > I?ve since replaced all the leads, which I think were originals.
> > >
> > > So have you folks seen the photos of SURPRISE reefing her old mainsail
> > > while on a Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website? We
> were
> > a
> > > couple miles out years ago when we where outbound? I had no idea my
> > friend
> > > Ken Woods on Midland Point was taking pictures with his store-bought
> > camera
> > > that was practically looking over my shoulder from that far away? I
> > guess
> > > I?ll have to bear all this surveillance in mind next time I get the
> urge
> > to
> > > scratch my bum or whatever while sailing?.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gordon Laco
> > > #426 Surprise
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Rod Symmes via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh, Rats ! I wasn't quick enough off the mark. I was about to
> confirm
> > > the "dumbfounded" remark but then Gord got in his rebuttal before I
> could
> > > relate that he had been seen motoring on Friday about 2 miles out and
> > then
> > > drifting in the steamer channel for about 30 minutes . When the sound
> of
> > > head scratching and muttering in the bilge had gone on long enough I
> > > thought I had better go out and see what he needed. Before I could get
> > the
> > > oars in the locks Gord fired up the engine once more and roared off out
> > the
> > > channel--- which, I guess proves Gord's contention that << I very
> much
> > > like my A4 and have never yet not been able to resolve whatever is
> > > happening with it. >> given enough head scratching and muttering.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Rod
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > ~~~~~~~_/) _/) ~~~~~~~
> > > > ~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Public-List <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org> on behalf
> > of
> > > Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > Sent: July 31, 2019 9:53 AM
> > > > To: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>; Alberg 30 Public List --
> > > open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > Cc: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
> > > >
> > > > I agree with all except ?dumbfounded?? I very much like my A4 and
> have
> > > never yet not been able to resolve whatever is happening with it.
> > > >
> > > > Basic maintenance avoids nearly all potential issues.
> > > >
> > > > Gordon Laco
> > > > #426 Surprise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Jul 31, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Ryan,
> > > >> I know James Baldwin and his work. The quality of what he does is
> > FIRST
> > > RATE. He
> > > >> NEVER begins a conversion until he has a confirmed buyer. Then he
> > finds
> > > a boat
> > > >> and does the conversion. If you attempt to do a conversion and do
> not
> > > do a top
> > > >> shelf job, forget ever reselling your boat. Outboards in Alberg 30's
> > is
> > > a NICHE
> > > >> market.......................a VERY small niche.
> > > >>
> > > >> Atomic 4's are simple, reliable, and "Falling off a log" easy to
> keep
> > > running. Except for Gord who is often dumbfounded by
> > > them...................sorry Gord I couldn't resist.
> > > >>
> > > >> My opinion keep the inboard unless you desire the characteristics of
> > > what the outboard offers. Speak at length with James Baldwin and learn
> > > what is involved and what resulting handling to expect afterwards.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would not think that the conversion is a less expensive route that
> > > fixing what you already have.
> > > >>
> > > >> Michael #133........... Gray Marine Yeah!
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> These businesses support your Association:
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> > > >> Please support them.
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> >
> > --
> > Jonathan M Bresler
> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>
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> -Ryan Kiefer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:41:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
> Message-ID: <439350277.367690.1564598489670 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Ryan,
> Ask around and most likely you can find a decent used A 4 prop, perhaps
> even within this group. I have been lucky in the past and a guy gave me a
> decent prop for my Grey Marine. Diameter, pitch and shaft hole size and
> search E-bay under vintage Sailboat hardware.
> Best to you,
> Michael
> > On July 31, 2019 at 2:15 PM Ryan via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thank you everybody for the warm welcome and replies! Gordon, Don,
> Michael,
> > you?ve all convinced me to stay inboard. The reliability of the engine
> > (when properly maintained) and boat maneuverability was a big deal, and I
> > do like the idea of keeping the boat as original as possible, both for
> > myself and for the next owner. Hopefully I can fix the A4 to a high
> > standard; it is still running fine with the work I?ve done so far but I
> > won?t trust it until I dig deeper and see what sort of shape the
> internals
> > are in, particularly if there has been corrosion. Thank you Don for
> > pointing that out, it has been in brackish water for the past several
> years
> > so hopefully it hasn?t been too bad. It sounds like the A4 shouldn?t be
> > hard to maintain as long as I can start off right with it, and I?ve got a
> > bunch of spare parts already. If I can?t save the A4 I may look into
> diesel
> > for the fuel efficiency for longer range motoring. Thank you Eric for
> your
> > Beta Marine suggestion, I will look into it. And Thank you Gordon for
> your
> > troubleshooting tale!
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding the Prop, I will look at Propcalc (thanks again Don) and see
> what
> > I should look at. I?ve also got a local prop shop I will visit. I did
> find
> > a suspiciously cheap prop designed for the Atomic 4 engine here:
> > http://www.atomic4.com/propeller.html , anybody know what this is? I
> would
> > generally prefer a 2 blade but wouldn?t rule out 3 blades.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:38 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Come on now, Gord.
> > > You cant throw out "photos of SURPRISE reefing her old mainsail while
> on a
> > > Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website"
> > > and then not provide a URL!
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:08 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > BLOODY HELL! Is nothing secret any longer?
> > > >
> > > > Well what happened there was this.
> > > >
> > > > We were happily motoring along when the engine stopped like someone
> had
> > > > turned off the ignition. What ho, thought I. Hmm, perhaps a
> speck of
> > > > dirt in the carb.
> > > >
> > > > Off came the carb, I took it apart, cleaned everything with solvent,
> put
> > > > it back together and reinstalled it. Tried the engine, nothing.
> > > >
> > > > Hmm. I pulled #1 plug and after insulating my hand with a rag (good
> > > > thinking, eh?) had Caroline hit the starter. No spark.
> > > >
> > > > Well that makes sense. If the problem was dirt in the carb, the
> engine
> > > > would have sputtered a bit before conking out. It must be
> electrical.
> > > >
> > > > So, I decided to check the easy stuff first... off come the spark
> plug
> > > > leads one by one? all clean both ends. Off comes the lead from the
> coil
> > > to
> > > > the centre of the distributor? AHA! The coil end was covered in
> > > corrosion
> > > > and powder.
> > > >
> > > > A few swipes with my little brass brush and back in it went? engine
> > > > started like nothing had happened and away we went. Didn?t have to
> look
> > > > at the points because I tried the easy stuff first? clever, no?
> > > >
> > > > I?ve since replaced all the leads, which I think were originals.
> > > >
> > > > So have you folks seen the photos of SURPRISE reefing her old
> mainsail
> > > > while on a Misery Trip that George has on the Alberg30 website? We
> were
> > > a
> > > > couple miles out years ago when we where outbound? I had no idea my
> > > friend
> > > > Ken Woods on Midland Point was taking pictures with his store-bought
> > > camera
> > > > that was practically looking over my shoulder from that far away? I
> > > guess
> > > > I?ll have to bear all this surveillance in mind next time I get the
> urge
> > > to
> > > > scratch my bum or whatever while sailing?.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gordon Laco
> > > > #426 Surprise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 31, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Rod Symmes via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, Rats ! I wasn't quick enough off the mark. I was about to
> confirm
> > > > the "dumbfounded" remark but then Gord got in his rebuttal before I
> could
> > > > relate that he had been seen motoring on Friday about 2 miles out and
> > > then
> > > > drifting in the steamer channel for about 30 minutes . When the
> sound of
> > > > head scratching and muttering in the bilge had gone on long enough I
> > > > thought I had better go out and see what he needed. Before I could
> get
> > > the
> > > > oars in the locks Gord fired up the engine once more and roared off
> out
> > > the
> > > > channel--- which, I guess proves Gord's contention that << I very
> much
> > > > like my A4 and have never yet not been able to resolve whatever is
> > > > happening with it. >> given enough head scratching and muttering.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, Rod
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > ~~~~~~~_/) _/) ~~~~~~~
> > > > > ~~_/) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Public-List <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org> on
> behalf
> > > of
> > > > Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > > Sent: July 31, 2019 9:53 AM
> > > > > To: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>; Alberg 30 Public List
> --
> > > > open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > > Cc: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine and Prop
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with all except ?dumbfounded?? I very much like my A4 and
> have
> > > > never yet not been able to resolve whatever is happening with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basic maintenance avoids nearly all potential issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gordon Laco
> > > > > #426 Surprise
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Jul 31, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ryan,
> > > > >> I know James Baldwin and his work. The quality of what he does is
> > > FIRST
> > > > RATE. He
> > > > >> NEVER begins a conversion until he has a confirmed buyer. Then he
> > > finds
> > > > a boat
> > > > >> and does the conversion. If you attempt to do a conversion and do
> not
> > > > do a top
> > > > >> shelf job, forget ever reselling your boat. Outboards in Alberg
> 30's
> > > is
> > > > a NICHE
> > > > >> market.......................a VERY small niche.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Atomic 4's are simple, reliable, and "Falling off a log" easy to
> keep
> > > > running. Except for Gord who is often dumbfounded by
> > > > them...................sorry Gord I couldn't resist.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My opinion keep the inboard unless you desire the characteristics
> of
> > > > what the outboard offers. Speak at length with James Baldwin and
> learn
> > > > what is involved and what resulting handling to expect afterwards.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would not think that the conversion is a less expensive route
> that
> > > > fixing what you already have.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Michael #133........... Gray Marine Yeah!
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> These businesses support your Association:
> > > > >> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > > >> Please support them.
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> Public-List mailing list
> > > > >> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
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> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > These businesses support your Association:
> > > > > http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > > > Please support them.
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> > > > > Please support them.
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> > > > http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > > Please support them.
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jonathan M Bresler
> > > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > > Annapolis/Eastport MD
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > These businesses support your Association:
> > > http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > Please support them.
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Ryan Kiefer
> > _______________________________________________
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