[Public-List] Odd hole in the forward battery area

George Dinwiddie gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
Wed Apr 29 14:22:21 PDT 2020 

The page Gord mentions is http://www.alberg30.org/boat/A30vsFolkboat/

On 4/29/20 11:13 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List wrote:
> When I bought back my wooden Folkboat, after she’d been out of my hands for many years and demolished by hurricanes in the Florida Keys, I started her restoration by removing her garboard planks.  There, down in the deepest part of the bilge where the sternpost met the keel… I found the bunch of keys I lost in 1983.  (along with beer caps, nuts, screws, a screwdriver, a hose clamp, etc etc)
> 
> George put her on his Alberg 30 website on a page comparing the Alberg 30 to the Folkboat.  I happened to have two photographs, one of her and one of SURPRISE, taken from almost the same angle and distance...
> 
> 
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
> #426 Surprise
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> :)  Cant say that I found pliers.
>> The first winter when the boat was hauled,
>> I did find that the port side cockpit scupper ball valve
>> had what appeared to be a square opening through the
>> ball in place of the usual round opening. !
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:26 AM Mike Lehman via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan,
>>>
>>> Wow! you found a lot of stuff in the bilge! did you find any pliers? 😁
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>> The following is from Constance #262.  Our boats should not be too
>>>> different.  Appears that both were built in 1967.
>>>>
>>>> The forward end of the forward battery compartment has a semi-circular
>>> hole
>>>> that allows the area forward of that and
>>>> below the cabin sole to drain into the forward battery compartment.
>>>>
>>>> The forward end of the aft battery compartment has a semi-circular hole
>>>> that allows the area forward battery compartment
>>>> to drain into the aft battery compartment.
>>>>
>>>> Both battery compartments are built of sit in a thick "tray" glassed into
>>>> the hull.  The tray has a wooden divider between the
>>>> forward and aft battery compartments and a wooden divider between the aft
>>>> battery compartment and the bilge under the
>>>> engine.
>>>>
>>>> My notes, from about 14 months ago, indicate that there is a hole in the
>>>> bottom surface of the aft battery area.
>>>> That hole is 2-1/2" forward of the aft "bulkhead" that separate the aft
>>>> battery area from the open bilge under the engine.
>>>> Under the battery area, the tray, is open space. From the underside of
>>> that
>>>> hole in the aft battery tray to the bottom
>>>> of the empty space is 14-5/8".
>>>>
>>>> The empty space under the forward battery area, measured from a hole in
>>> the
>>>> bottom 5-1/2" forward of the divider
>>>> between the forward and the aft battery areas, is 11-5/8" deep.
>>>>
>>>> When I first got Constance, in 2015, I pulled an number of items out of
>>> the
>>>> bilge, glasses, screwdriver, D cell battery
>>>> that had opened up in the wet, nuts, etc.   Some of the items were
>>> located
>>>> forward of the divider between the bilge
>>>> under the engine and the empty space under the aft battery compartment.
>>>> The divider does not go all the way to the
>>>> bottom, but stops a couple inches short of the bottom, so that I can just
>>>> reach down while lying on the cabin sole, and
>>>> reach forward under the divider with a few fingers to fish stuff out.
>>>>
>>>> Have the idea that someday, I'll glass into the bottom of the boat from
>>> the
>>>> chain locker to these empty spaces a half section
>>>> of PVC pipe to allow the anchor chain to be stored in this empty area.
>>>> Have not ripped out the water tank in the v-berth
>>>> so this remains a figment of my imagination.  Would need to build a bit
>>> of
>>>> raised floor in the area between the head and
>>>> the hanging locker, as well as, figure out a way to be able to deal with
>>>> any chain snagging down in there.  Perhaps removable
>>>> panels in the bottom of the battery areas, or Beckson deck plates.  The
>>>> bottom of each battery box is more than wide enough
>>>> for a deck plate.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:15 PM Daniel Sternglass via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello A30 people,
>>>>>
>>>>> By way of installing the rear battery in my (older design) A-30 today,
>>> I
>>>>> noticed a _small circular ___vertical hole_, roughly 0.5"D __is doing
>>> on
>>>>> the bottom of the rear battery region__, forward near the battery's
>>>>> forward bulkhead_. I never noticed that hole until now. 10 or more
>>> years
>>>>> ago I coated the battery comportment floors and forward with epoxy
>>>>> putty. I must not have have noticed it at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this typical? I'd like to understand what would happen if water runs
>>>>> enters or exits into the area below the battery floor that it sits on.
>>>>> My first instinct is to fill this small hole, but the hole looks
>>>>> deliberate. Maybe there is a lower path to the bilge? Currently, my
>>>>> float switch is low in the battery compartment. I have seen water in
>>>>> there a few times for various reasons. I certainty don't want to
>>> disturb
>>>>> any iron in the keel, but the boat has been fine for all the time I've
>>>>> had it, and as far as I know this has not been a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> --Dan Sternglass
>>>>> Watcher of the Skies, Ithaca, NY
>>>>>
>>>>> dans at stmktg.com
>>>>> office: +1607-257-3431
>>>>> mobile: +1607-592-8012
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
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