[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4127, Issue 1
Gordon Laco
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Thu Mar 11 02:59:07 PST 2021
It sounds like there is something significantly odd happening there…
Gordon Laco
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> On Mar 11, 2021, at 5:35 AM, Daniel Swords via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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> Just curious, the foot of your 100% jib is only 10.5 ft and you are having weather helm? Also, with a 100% jib how are the jib sheets run without chafing almost constantly on the shrouds, outside of the shrouds are between the forward shroud and the cap shroud?
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> 1. Re: Alberg 30 Sail Plan (Tom Swift)
> 2. Re: Alberg 30 Sail Plan (Gordon Laco)
> 3. Re: Alberg 30 Sail Plan (Jonathan Bresler)
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> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:43:28 -0500
> From: Tom Swift <swiftlaw at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Alberg 30 Sail Plan
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> Hi all: My 2 cents.
>
> I have found that Sirius ( hull # 222) needs the jib furled to about 40% to
> maintain a balanced boat in our customary summer Southwesterlies here in
> Buzzards Bay. The afternoon blows like old faithful at 15 knots from June
> through August. My full 100% genoa gives an unfriendly weather helm and
> leaves me trapped at the tiller as, like Daniel, I too always sail solo.
>
> In the fall I leave a single reef in from mid-September until I haul,
> usually right after Halloween. My Alberg loves the 20 to 25 knots in those
> fall days with a single reef and the genoa furled up to 50%. But I never
> really shake that weather helm.
>
> Self-steering or even a break from the helm without heaving-to is a problem
> I just do not know how to solve. The lines on her are too classic and
> pretty for me to install a wind vane.
>
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:48 PM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> Like Daniel, we sail Lake Pontchartrain and Gulf Coast. In the fall
>> through spring, we sail double reefed almost all the time as fronts move
>> through and leave you with 15-20k winds to sail with. A few months ago,
>> with gusts to 25, and just the 140, the weather helm was very excessive and
>> tiresome. Now, the dog days of summer are a different story. Perhaps I just
>> need a smaller ?winter? sail on the furler, something like Daniel has.
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Michael via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> You did not mention what region you sail in. Not saying you are wrong,
>> but a sail combination that reflects prevailing wind conditions would be
>> much more satisfying.
>>> Personally, I avoid sailing in 30 knot winds, I have been in enough
>> gales and whole gales off shore to give a pass to the experience. I can
>> pass because of where I sail-it's why I sail where i sail. Can I do it?
>> Yes. Hank on sails allow that, I have a slab reefing working jib (100%) and
>> a double reefable main.
>>> The boat moving well in a 10-12 knot breeze is the sailing I live for,
>> but then, I also do not ride roller coasters.
>>> Michael Grosh
>>> #220
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:26:21 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Alberg 30 Sail Plan
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> Interesting, Tom,
>
> Reducing sail forward to improve balance is a very unique situation. I?ve never encountered that in any sort of vessel. Normaly reducing area in the headsail, especially rolling it up, which results in a baggy sail, makes weather helm much worse.
>
> Strange situation there?
>
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
> #426 Surprise
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>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Tom Swift via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all: My 2 cents.
>>
>> I have found that Sirius ( hull # 222) needs the jib furled to about 40% to
>> maintain a balanced boat in our customary summer Southwesterlies here in
>> Buzzards Bay. The afternoon blows like old faithful at 15 knots from June
>> through August. My full 100% genoa gives an unfriendly weather helm and
>> leaves me trapped at the tiller as, like Daniel, I too always sail solo.
>>
>> In the fall I leave a single reef in from mid-September until I haul,
>> usually right after Halloween. My Alberg loves the 20 to 25 knots in those
>> fall days with a single reef and the genoa furled up to 50%. But I never
>> really shake that weather helm.
>>
>> Self-steering or even a break from the helm without heaving-to is a problem
>> I just do not know how to solve. The lines on her are too classic and
>> pretty for me to install a wind vane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:48 PM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Like Daniel, we sail Lake Pontchartrain and Gulf Coast. In the fall
>>> through spring, we sail double reefed almost all the time as fronts move
>>> through and leave you with 15-20k winds to sail with. A few months ago,
>>> with gusts to 25, and just the 140, the weather helm was very excessive and
>>> tiresome. Now, the dog days of summer are a different story. Perhaps I just
>>> need a smaller ?winter? sail on the furler, something like Daniel has.
>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Michael via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You did not mention what region you sail in. Not saying you are wrong,
>>> but a sail combination that reflects prevailing wind conditions would be
>>> much more satisfying.
>>>> Personally, I avoid sailing in 30 knot winds, I have been in enough
>>> gales and whole gales off shore to give a pass to the experience. I can
>>> pass because of where I sail-it's why I sail where i sail. Can I do it?
>>> Yes. Hank on sails allow that, I have a slab reefing working jib (100%) and
>>> a double reefable main.
>>>> The boat moving well in a 10-12 knot breeze is the sailing I live for,
>>> but then, I also do not ride roller coasters.
>>>> Michael Grosh
>>>> #220
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:01:50 -0500
> From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Alberg 30 Sail Plan
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> Good to check the amount of rake in the mast.
> Last winter in replacing the running rigging on Constance,
> rake was reduced from 10"-12" to 4"-5". The reduction dramatically
> reduced the amount of weather helm. Sorry for the ranges, but it
> seems hard for me to get a solid measurement of rake as the fore and
> aft trim of the boat due to weight distribution will change the rake.
>
> What rake do you all have in your masts?
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:26 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Interesting, Tom,
>>
>> Reducing sail forward to improve balance is a very unique situation. I?ve
>> never encountered that in any sort of vessel. Normaly reducing area in the
>> headsail, especially rolling it up, which results in a baggy sail, makes
>> weather helm much worse.
>>
>> Strange situation there?
>>
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>> #426 Surprise
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Tom Swift via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all: My 2 cents.
>>>
>>> I have found that Sirius ( hull # 222) needs the jib furled to about 40%
>> to
>>> maintain a balanced boat in our customary summer Southwesterlies here in
>>> Buzzards Bay. The afternoon blows like old faithful at 15 knots from
>> June
>>> through August. My full 100% genoa gives an unfriendly weather helm and
>>> leaves me trapped at the tiller as, like Daniel, I too always sail solo.
>>>
>>> In the fall I leave a single reef in from mid-September until I haul,
>>> usually right after Halloween. My Alberg loves the 20 to 25 knots in
>> those
>>> fall days with a single reef and the genoa furled up to 50%. But I never
>>> really shake that weather helm.
>>>
>>> Self-steering or even a break from the helm without heaving-to is a
>> problem
>>> I just do not know how to solve. The lines on her are too classic and
>>> pretty for me to install a wind vane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:48 PM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like Daniel, we sail Lake Pontchartrain and Gulf Coast. In the fall
>>>> through spring, we sail double reefed almost all the time as fronts move
>>>> through and leave you with 15-20k winds to sail with. A few months ago,
>>>> with gusts to 25, and just the 140, the weather helm was very excessive
>> and
>>>> tiresome. Now, the dog days of summer are a different story. Perhaps I
>> just
>>>> need a smaller ?winter? sail on the furler, something like Daniel has.
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Michael via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You did not mention what region you sail in. Not saying you are wrong,
>>>> but a sail combination that reflects prevailing wind conditions would be
>>>> much more satisfying.
>>>>> Personally, I avoid sailing in 30 knot winds, I have been in enough
>>>> gales and whole gales off shore to give a pass to the experience. I can
>>>> pass because of where I sail-it's why I sail where i sail. Can I do it?
>>>> Yes. Hank on sails allow that, I have a slab reefing working jib (100%)
>> and
>>>> a double reefable main.
>>>>> The boat moving well in a 10-12 knot breeze is the sailing I live for,
>>>> but then, I also do not ride roller coasters.
>>>>> Michael Grosh
>>>>> #220
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>>>> Please support them.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Please support them.
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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