[Public-List] Frustrating Mast Wiring Issue on Alberg 29
Mike Lehman
mlehman at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 09:35:31 PDT 2022
Potato cannon
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 11:21 AM Michael Connolly via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> OK Gord,
> So you got the charge figured out. Now what to use for the projectile?
> Michael
>
> > On 06/23/2022 11:10 AM Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If I were feeling comedic…
> >
> > I might suggest a removal procedure incorporating a solvent as
> described, and an igniter. Imagine the efficacy of laying the mast on saw
> horses, arranged so the heel of the mast is somewhat higher than the head,
> and its axis of aim somewhat toward something which might be safe… or
> perhaps fun. One might pour in the solvent, wait for the chemistry to take
> effect, then introduce a barbecue lighter through a hole in the mast up
> near the masthead. The result might well completely clear out the foam
> and foam residue from the mast… and even project it all a considerable
> distance which might eliminate the need to clean up your immediate ground
> area in the boat yard.
> >
> > Hmmm….
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > 426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Michael Connolly via
> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org > wrote:
> > > I thought of a solvent or heat to reduce the bulk of the foam,
> but then rejected that idea because of the mess it would make and the
> increased difficulty in getting the ooze out of the mast. I believe
> mechanical removal while dry is the best method.
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > > > On 06/22/2022 5:20 PM Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org >
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe...acetone would disolve the foam...it would make a
> big mess, but easy
> > > > to clean up. Better than trying to stuff conduit through
> foam
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 3:59 PM George Dinwiddie via
> Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ugh! Foam in the mast--how awful!
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't imagine anything in the mast that you're
> likely to damage other
> > > > > than the existing wires. The mounting bolts for
> the winches and
> > > > > spreaders should be rugged enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think as you try to punch through the foam,
> you're probably getting
> > > > > more and more resistance. I wonder if you could
> fasten a garden auger
> > > > > bit onto the end of your length of conduit, and
> using that to drill into
> > > > > foam blockages and then pull out bits, a little at
> a time. Just a
> > > > > thought, and not something I've done.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, an easier way to keep the wires from slapping
> inside the mast is to
> > > > > put a trio of plastic wire ties around the wiring
> bundle at intervals.
> > > > > Put the tail of one wire tie into the hole of the
> next, and leave the
> > > > > tails long. They'll push against the mast and hold
> the wires relatively
> > > > > still against the side.
> > > > >
> > > > > - George
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/22/22 12:31 PM, vinegar joe via Public-List
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother the Alberg 30 folks,
> but I'm hoping someone here will
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > have some insight into this aggravating
> problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've got a 1985 Alberg 29, keel
> stepped mast with a tricolor light at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the top of the mast and a combo deck
> light - mast head light just above the
> > > > > spreaders. The combo light had been dead for a
> couple of years and when I
> > > > > removed it I discovered that the wires were
> completely shot - it appeared
> > > > > that a glorified extension cord had been used and
> the end of the wires just
> > > > > barely exited the one inch hole in the mast behind
> the light - when the
> > > > > brittle wires were trimmed, they now were just
> inside the hole. A gentle
> > > > > tug on the ground wire broke it and it is no
> longer visible. But it gets
> > > > > the worse - the prior owner (I hope not the
> builder) inserted expanding
> > > > > foam a various spots along the mast (wherever
> access allowed) and so
> > > > > there's no budging of the wires even if you
> wished. Additionally, the
> > > > > wires have been snaked up the aft side of the mast
> behind conduit that
> > > > > encloses four halyards so any attempt at fishing
> some of the wire out has
> > > > > to take place on the opposite side of where the
> > > > > li
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ght is mounted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I decided I would try to drive a run of
> metal conduit inside the mast
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > and through the various layers of
> expandable foam with hopes of perhaps
> > > > > snagging it up by the light to run a snake line
> back down to the base of
> > > > > the mast. The conduit was driven through the
> first layer of foam (at about
> > > > > 4 feet - no idea how it was delivered at this
> level) without too much
> > > > > problem, but at about 6 and 1/2 feet I encountered
> what I sense is a metal
> > > > > plate that seems to completely close further
> progress. However, I cannot
> > > > > see what I'm hitting.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Are further
> efforts to reach the level of the light by conduit a waste
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > of time? Does anyone know what I'm
> hitting? I fear I may damage the mast
> > > > > or other wiring with further efforts. If so, what
> is the most tasteful and
> > > > > solid way to run wires on the outside of the mast?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any
> help/ideas/suggestions. I want to go sailing!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill Zellman
> > > > > > s/v Vinegar Joe
> > > > > > Milwaukee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'The universe is a big place, perhaps the
> biggest.' - Kilgore Trout
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > >
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> also see:
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