[Public-List] Frustrating Mast Wiring Issue on Alberg 29
Michael Devonshire
Devonshire at jhpokorny.com
Thu Jun 23 13:52:48 PDT 2022
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> On Jun 23, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Potato cannon
>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 11:21 AM Michael Connolly via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> OK Gord,
>> So you got the charge figured out. Now what to use for the projectile?
>> Michael
>>
>>>> On 06/23/2022 11:10 AM Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> If I were feeling comedic…
>>>
>>> I might suggest a removal procedure incorporating a solvent as
>> described, and an igniter. Imagine the efficacy of laying the mast on saw
>> horses, arranged so the heel of the mast is somewhat higher than the head,
>> and its axis of aim somewhat toward something which might be safe… or
>> perhaps fun. One might pour in the solvent, wait for the chemistry to take
>> effect, then introduce a barbecue lighter through a hole in the mast up
>> near the masthead. The result might well completely clear out the foam
>> and foam residue from the mast… and even project it all a considerable
>> distance which might eliminate the need to clean up your immediate ground
>> area in the boat yard.
>>>
>>> Hmmm….
>>>
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> 426 Surprise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 23, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Michael Connolly via
>> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org > wrote:
>>>> I thought of a solvent or heat to reduce the bulk of the foam,
>> but then rejected that idea because of the mess it would make and the
>> increased difficulty in getting the ooze out of the mast. I believe
>> mechanical removal while dry is the best method.
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/22/2022 5:20 PM Mike Lehman via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org >
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe...acetone would disolve the foam...it would make a
>> big mess, but easy
>>>>> to clean up. Better than trying to stuff conduit through
>> foam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 3:59 PM George Dinwiddie via
>> Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ugh! Foam in the mast--how awful!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't imagine anything in the mast that you're
>> likely to damage other
>>>>>> than the existing wires. The mounting bolts for
>> the winches and
>>>>>> spreaders should be rugged enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think as you try to punch through the foam,
>> you're probably getting
>>>>>> more and more resistance. I wonder if you could
>> fasten a garden auger
>>>>>> bit onto the end of your length of conduit, and
>> using that to drill into
>>>>>> foam blockages and then pull out bits, a little at
>> a time. Just a
>>>>>> thought, and not something I've done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, an easier way to keep the wires from slapping
>> inside the mast is to
>>>>>> put a trio of plastic wire ties around the wiring
>> bundle at intervals.
>>>>>> Put the tail of one wire tie into the hole of the
>> next, and leave the
>>>>>> tails long. They'll push against the mast and hold
>> the wires relatively
>>>>>> still against the side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - George
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/22/22 12:31 PM, vinegar joe via Public-List
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to bother the Alberg 30 folks,
>> but I'm hoping someone here will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have some insight into this aggravating
>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a 1985 Alberg 29, keel
>> stepped mast with a tricolor light at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the mast and a combo deck
>> light - mast head light just above the
>>>>>> spreaders. The combo light had been dead for a
>> couple of years and when I
>>>>>> removed it I discovered that the wires were
>> completely shot - it appeared
>>>>>> that a glorified extension cord had been used and
>> the end of the wires just
>>>>>> barely exited the one inch hole in the mast behind
>> the light - when the
>>>>>> brittle wires were trimmed, they now were just
>> inside the hole. A gentle
>>>>>> tug on the ground wire broke it and it is no
>> longer visible. But it gets
>>>>>> the worse - the prior owner (I hope not the
>> builder) inserted expanding
>>>>>> foam a various spots along the mast (wherever
>> access allowed) and so
>>>>>> there's no budging of the wires even if you
>> wished. Additionally, the
>>>>>> wires have been snaked up the aft side of the mast
>> behind conduit that
>>>>>> encloses four halyards so any attempt at fishing
>> some of the wire out has
>>>>>> to take place on the opposite side of where the
>>>>>> li
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ght is mounted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I decided I would try to drive a run of
>> metal conduit inside the mast
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and through the various layers of
>> expandable foam with hopes of perhaps
>>>>>> snagging it up by the light to run a snake line
>> back down to the base of
>>>>>> the mast. The conduit was driven through the
>> first layer of foam (at about
>>>>>> 4 feet - no idea how it was delivered at this
>> level) without too much
>>>>>> problem, but at about 6 and 1/2 feet I encountered
>> what I sense is a metal
>>>>>> plate that seems to completely close further
>> progress. However, I cannot
>>>>>> see what I'm hitting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are further
>> efforts to reach the level of the light by conduit a waste
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of time? Does anyone know what I'm
>> hitting? I fear I may damage the mast
>>>>>> or other wiring with further efforts. If so, what
>> is the most tasteful and
>>>>>> solid way to run wires on the outside of the mast?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any
>> help/ideas/suggestions. I want to go sailing!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Zellman
>>>>>>> s/v Vinegar Joe
>>>>>>> Milwaukee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'The universe is a big place, perhaps the
>> biggest.' - Kilgore Trout
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
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>> George Dinwiddie
>>>>>> I think how evening follows morn;
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