[Public-List] impeller puller

Thu Jun 29 08:21:27 PDT 2023

If you need an impeller puller for an engine other than the Atomic 4, then Bayshore Marine sells general purpose "impeller puller pliers" that will work on any pump.

Matt
Friendship 295

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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:20:33 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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Best ask Moyer about that.

Gordon Laco
http://www.gordonlaco.com/
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> On Jun 29, 2023, at 10:10 AM, gewhite--- via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>   Will the Moyer impeller puller work on other engines?
>
>    - Gordon White
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>   Funny story about the impeller puller? I bought one from Moyer last
>   fall and admired it on my desk all winter. ?Oh what a pleasure it will
>   be to use this clever tool? thought I, over and over.
>   This spring I went to use it and found the two prongs weren?t even
>   close to a fit into the spaces inside the pump. Gloom, frustration?
>   wrote a ?how do I use this thing? message to Moyer.
>   Then?.
>   I looked at a youtube video on Moyer?s site showing use of the device.
>   The two big red plastic knobs come off. They?re just there to protect
>   the ends.
>   Off they came and presto, the puller worked effortlessly. I had a laugh
>   with Moyer about it afterward.
>   Gordon Laco
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>> On Jun 28, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Greenhouse, Matthew A. (GSFC-6650) via
>   Public-List <[12]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Putting an inspection plate into the cockpit sole for this purpose is
>   not necessary. Just buy the impeller puller and thumb screw cover plate
>   from Moyer Marine. It makes changing the impeller a simple job.
>>
>> Matt
>> Friendship 295
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>> 1. impeller ([20]dterrell1 at charter.net)
>> 2. Re: impeller (Rolph Townshend)
>> 3. Re: impeller (Gordon Laco)
>> 4. Re: impeller (Jonathan Bresler)
>> 5. Re: impeller (William Woodford)
>> 6. Re: impeller (Kris Coward)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:55:39 +0000
>> From: [21]dterrell1 at charter.net
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>> Subject: [Public-List] impeller
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>> I am interested in putting a deck plate in the cockpit above where
>   the impeller is located so I can easily access and remove the impeller
>   from the atomic 4 engine. Where should this deck plate be located? I
>   can not think that I am the first person to think of doing this.
>> David, 432
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>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:49:53 -0400
>> From: Rolph Townshend <[24]joanrolph4 at gmail.com>
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>> This does not sound like a good idea.
>>
>> Towney
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>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:55?AM David Terrell via Public-List <
>   [27]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>>> I am interested in putting a deck plate in the cockpit above where
>   the
>>> impeller is located so I can easily access and remove the impeller
>>> from the atomic 4 engine. Where should this deck plate be located? I
>>> can not think that I am the first person to think of doing this.
>>> David, 432
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>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:57:11 -0400
>> From: Gordon Laco <[34]mainstay at csolve.net>
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>> I?d agree? doesn?t sound like a good idea at all.
>>
>>
>> Gordon Laco
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>>> On Jun 28, 2023, at 8:49 AM, Rolph Townshend via Public-List
>   <[38]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>>> This does not sound like a good idea.
>>>
>>> Towney
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:55?AM David Terrell via Public-List <
>>> [39]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>>>> I am interested in putting a deck plate in the cockpit above where
>>>> the impeller is located so I can easily access and remove the
>>>> impeller from the atomic 4 engine. Where should this deck plate be
>>>> located? I can not think that I am the first person to think of
>   doing this.
>>>> David, 432
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>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:57:57 -0400
>> From: Jonathan Bresler <[52]262alberg30 at gmail.com>
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>> David,
>>
>> Not familiar with the location of the water pump and impeller on an
>   Atomic
>> 4 as Constance has a Yanmar.
>> Would suggest considering cutting an access panel in one of the two
>   cockpit lockers.
>> Cut an access panel on Constance, in the port locker, in the winter
>   of
>> 2021-2022 so that I could more easily
>> adjust the stuffing box...I had replaced the stuffing that winter.
>   Works
>> well. Could be that an access panel
>> of that type would allow you improved access to the water pump and
>   impeller
>> as well. I made the cuts in the
>> plywood, that forms the inboard wall of the cockpit locker, about
>   1-1/2"
>> from the hull, the underside of the deck, and the forward end of the
>   locker.
>>
>> Can send photos, if you need.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:50?AM Rolph Townshend via Public-List <
>   [55]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This does not sound like a good idea.
>>>
>>> Towney
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:55?AM David Terrell via Public-List <
>>> [56]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am interested in putting a deck plate in the cockpit above where
>>>> the impeller is located so I can easily access and remove the
>>>> impeller from the atomic 4 engine. Where should this deck plate be
>>>> located? I can not think that I am the first person to think of
>   doing this.
>>>> David, 432
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:07:46 -0400
>> From: William Woodford <[69]bill.woodford at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] impeller
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>> David,
>>
>> I do have a deck plate on my cockpit sole. I did not install it; it
>   must have been installed by a PO. It is fairly robust, made of bronze
>   and when the plate is unscrewed it does allow better access to the
>   shaft, stuffing box, etc. I have a yanmar 2gm so impeller access is not
>   an issue.
>>
>> It is located about a foot aft of the bridge deck and centered. I did
>   manage to find one photo of the cockpit sole and will forward it to
>   you.
>>
>> I am not a fan of drilling holes in boats and certainly understand
>   folks?
>> reluctance and hesitation. Whoever put it in must have done a pretty
>   good job as I have not noticed any cockpit sole weakness nor water
>   intrusion.
>>
>> Good luck with whatever you decide
>>
>>
>> Woody
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:58 Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>   [72]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Not familiar with the location of the water pump and impeller on an
>>> Atomic
>>> 4 as Constance has a Yanmar.
>>> Would suggest considering cutting an access panel in one of the two
>>> cockpit lockers.
>>> Cut an access panel on Constance, in the port locker, in the winter
>   of
>>> 2021-2022 so that I could more easily
>>> adjust the stuffing box...I had replaced the stuffing that winter.
>   Works
>>> well. Could be that an access panel
>>> of that type would allow you improved access to the water pump and
>   impeller
>>> as well. I made the cuts in the
>>> plywood, that forms the inboard wall of the cockpit locker, about
>   1-1/2"
>>> from the hull, the underside of the deck, and the forward end of the
>>> locker.
>>>
>>> Can send photos, if you need.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:50?AM Rolph Townshend via Public-List <
>>> [73]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This does not sound like a good idea.
>>>>
>>>> Towney
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:55?AM David Terrell via Public-List <
>>>> [74]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in putting a deck plate in the cockpit above where
>>>>> the impeller is located so I can easily access and remove the
>>>>> impeller from the atomic 4 engine. Where should this deck plate be
>>>>> located? I can not think that I am the first person to think of
>   doing this.
>>>>> David, 432
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 14:22:48 +0000
>> From: Kris Coward <[93]kris at melon.org>
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <[94]public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] impeller
>> Message-ID:
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>> I used to have an atomic 4 on Candy Cane before repowering to
>   electric, and what I remember of the water pump location isn't
>   somewhere that access would be meaningfully improved to by a new hole
>   in the cockpit. The water pump is basically diagonally down and forward
>   of the forward bottom edge of the cockpit well, so a hole in the sole
>   would be too far aft and oriented the wrong way, while a hole in the
>   forward side of the well would be too high. The recommendation for a
>   hole in the plywood panel making up the inboard side of the (starboard)
>   cockpit locker seems the most reasonable to me (assuming the fuel tank
>   isn't in there). Alternately, there are some people on the list who
>   have replaced the original deck plate in the cockpit sole with a
>   considerably larger hatch, which might allow enough of you to get far
>   enough in (upside-down, of course) to meaningfully improve access to
>   the pump.
>>
>> Really though, the best thing I can think of for improving the ease
>   of impeller removal is to make sure that the screws holding the plate
>   onto the back of the pump are hex-head screws that you can use a socket
>   and ratchet to remove/reinstall, rather than having to reach farther
>   over the engine to keep a screwdriver properly seated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kris
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kris Coward
>> [96]https://unripe.melon.org/
>>
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Wednesday, June 28th, 2023 at 10:07, William Woodford via
>   Public-List <[97]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I do have a deck plate on my cockpit sole. I did not install it; it
>>> must have been installed by a PO. It is fairly robust, made of
>   bronze
>>> and when the plate is unscrewed it does allow better access to the
>>> shaft, stuffing box, etc. I have a yanmar 2gm so impeller access is
>   not an issue.
>>>
>>> It is located about a foot aft of the bridge deck and centered. I
>   did
>>> manage to find one photo of the cockpit sole and will forward it to
>   you.
>>>
>>> I am not a fan of drilling holes in boats and certainly understand
>   folks?
>>> reluctance and hesitation. Whoever put it in must have done a pretty
>>> good job as I have not noticed any cockpit sole weakness nor water
>   intrusion.
>>>
>>> Good luck with whatever you decide
>>>
>>>
>>> Woody
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:58 Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>> [98]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> Not familiar with the location of the water pump and impeller on an
>>>> Atomic
>>>> 4 as Constance has a Yanmar.
>>>> Would suggest considering cutting an access panel in one of the two
>>>> cockpit lockers.
>>>> Cut an access panel on Constance, in the port locker, in the winter
>>>> of
>>>> 2021-2022 so that I could more easily adjust the stuffing box...I
>>>> had replaced the stuffing that winter. Works well. Could be that an
>>>> access panel of that type would allow you improved access to the
>>>> water pump and impeller as well. I made the cuts in the plywood,
>>>> that forms the inboard wall of the cockpit locker, about 1-1/2"
>>>> from the hull, the underside of the deck, and the forward end of
>   the
>>>> locker.
>>>>
>>>> Can send photos, if you need.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:50?AM Rolph Townshend via Public-List <
>>>> [99]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This does not sound like a good idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Towney
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:55?AM David Terrell via Public-List <
>>>>> [100]public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in putting a deck plate in the cockpit above
>>>>>> where the impeller is located so I can easily access and remove
>>>>>> the impeller from the atomic 4 engine. Where should this deck
>>>>>> plate be located? I can not think that I am the first person to
>   think of doing this.
>>>>>> David, 432
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