[Public-list] A30 Staysail
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Thu Aug 5 13:18:37 PDT 2004
Geez -
Never thought of that...of course it would work!
Gord
> Gord,
>
> I had to read your description of the two headsail halyards (block on
> another bolck w/ becket) a couple of times before I got it. Makes alot of
> sense; perhaps it will work with the topping lift and (lower) staysail
> halyard??
>
> Roger
>
> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> Managing Partner
> Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> N40° 27' 49" W79° 57' 59"
> 3441 Butler Street
> Pittsburgh, PA 15201
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>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] A30 Staysail
>
>
>> Hi Roger -
>>
>> In spinnaker staysail mode "the weapon" is hoisted on our #2 genny halyard
>> because the intermediate one is busy doing its primary job...being the
>> spinnaker pole topping lift.
>>
>> I would actually prefer that it hoist on the lower halyard as that would
>> bring its luff further from the chute, but that is not so easy to organize
>> without doubling the lift halyards. Big boats do this but it seems a
> little
>> awkward for us. In the event, the masthead hoist seems to work just fine.
>>
>> Gord KC426 Surprise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Gord,
>>>
>>> Is it correct that on Surprise the "weapon" actually goes to the
> masthead.
>>> What do you see as the advantages/disadvantages of masthead staysail vs.
> 3'
>>> above spreaders staysail.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
>>> Managing Partner
>>> Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
>>> N40° 27' 49" W79° 57' 59"
>>> 3441 Butler Street
>>> Pittsburgh, PA 15201
>>> www.ksba.com
>>>
>>> 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
>>> 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
>>> 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] A30 Staysail
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi there -
>>>>
>>>> Re staysail - as a professional rigger, my opinion is that given the
>>>> characteristics of our Alberg spars (heavy) a halyard for a staysail
>>> within
>>>> 3' of the spreaders can rely upon the after lower shrouds to stabilize
>>>> things. If the staysail halyard block were to fitted any higher, I
> would
>>>> say that the mast needs runners - and to me that would mean that the
>>> project
>>>> is not worth doing.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers - Gordon, KC426 Surprise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Three observations and a question
>>>>>
>>>>> Observations
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. there is an extended discussion of the staysail in the files on the
>>>>> website during the winter a couple of years ago. Phil, this is a good
>>>>> place to see what others have said about this in the past. I think the
>>>>> place to look is January or February of 2002.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Sail magazine has an article this month on a solent sail. This sail
>>>>> attaches almost at the top of the mast thus avoiding the need for
>>>>> running back stays. From the article the solent sail does many of the
>>>>> same things a staysail does. In any case, you can hank on either of
> the
>>>>> two sail on the forestay. If others can share about the solent sail,
>>>>> that would be very interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. It is my understanding - from an other Alberger in our marina and
>>>>> from reading - that the anchor point for a staysail or a solent sail
> on
>>>>> the A30 could be located at the anchor locker bulkhead. This approach
>>>>> uses the bulkead to transfer the load to the hull and avoids the wire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon, are you considering running back stays if you complete the
>>>>> staysail project?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mainstay at csolve.net 8/1/2004 9:18:08 AM >>>
>>>>> Hi Phil -
>>>>>
>>>>> We use a staysail - I have played around with it a lot and would be
>>>>> pleased
>>>>> to tell you our preferences...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ours is a high clewed little number that we originally planned to set
>>>>> on the
>>>>> spinnaker pole topping lift whose block we placed on a fairly massive
>>>>> hound
>>>>> about 3' above the spreaders. My plan was to have the lift double as
>>>>> a
>>>>> staysail halyard. If we like the effect of the sail we intended to
>>>>> build a
>>>>> massive deck pad eye (with an underdeck wire lanyard and turnbuckle
>>>>> bringing
>>>>> the load to the stem).
>>>>>
>>>>> We still may do that but in the meantime we have found that the sail
>>>>> works
>>>>> well as a spinnaker staysail. We sheet it to the forward inside jib
>>>>> tracks;
>>>>> we hoist it on the #2 genny halyard and tack it to our jackline
> between
>>>>> the
>>>>> cleats forward. Works great - my son and his buddy who do foredeck
> for
>>>>> us
>>>>> call it "the weapon" as in "secret weapon". The two headsail halyards
>>>>> were
>>>>> a little tough to organize so I fell back on an old fashioned
> technique
>>>>> I
>>>>> have installed on clients' boats. We shackled a single block with a
>>>>> becket
>>>>> on the existing block hanger, then hung a single block on the becket.
>>>>> That
>>>>> way we have out two blocks with the added advantage of having the
>>>>> unloaded
>>>>> halyard holding the upper or #1 block stable. Works great.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think now that for extreme conditions the staysail would be a good
>>>>> thing
>>>>> but for now we use it for racing.
>>>>>
>>>>> And may I gloat among friends? We took a second in our annual Snake
>>>>> Island
>>>>> race last Wed. night - got squeaked out of first by a hair. We seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> have to old girl really cranked up this year - we are deadly in light
>>>>> air/flat water conditions. Still can't point like I would like to but
>>>>> that
>>>>> may come later. The only thing we can think of that has made a big
>>>>> diff is
>>>>> A) really good foredeck work this year B) I paid more attention to
>>>>> standing
>>>>> rig tuning (thanks for the info on this list)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers - Gordon KC426 Surprise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The A30 sail plan shows a staysail with a halyard attached to the
>>>>> mast just
>>>>>> above the spreaders. Does anyone have experience with this sail? Is
>>>>> it used as
>>>>>> a smaller foresail during windy conditions or is it used in
>>>>> combination with
>>>>>> the jib?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems to me that this sail would be useful for reducing sail,
>>>>> especially
>>>>>> now that so many boats are equipped with roller furling genoas that
>>>>> never set
>>>>>> properly when reefed. Simply set the staysail and roll up the genoa
>>>>>> completely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Bartlett, Windward #428
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