[Public-list] Alberg 30 Quiz

Tue Nov 2 05:59:42 PST 2004

Gord,

I recall reading somewhere that Alberg originally wanted a fractional rig with the mast 2' aft of current location but Whitby wouldn't let him (don't recall why).  Thus the shorter mast and long boom.  Just for yuks, what about moving the mast aft and the stays inboard to cabin sides.  Probably would require moving the "offset" bulkhead to stbd to line up w/ port side.  Plus lots more load on stays.

I raised the main cabin bunks 5" this weekend to get them closer to optimum seat height (from 12").  Looks like in might work well.  I have room for 2 drawers 24" wide and 2 at 20", all with an average height of about 8" and depth of 18".  I can also put a large battery forward & inboard under the stbd. bunk.  I raised only the inboard 18" of each bunk.  This leaves a 5" x 8" continuous trough outboard to store long stuff (awnings, oars, swords, etc) which I will cover w/ plywood access panels.

Are you still sailing and using that new cabin stove?

Roger

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] Alberg 30 Quiz

> HI there - 
> 
> The fractional rig (forestay lower on the mast  than the backstay) allows
> the mast to be made flexible - that allows the sailor to bend it to flatten
> the mainsail to control the energy it develops.  In heavy air it means that
> you can carry more usable sail before having to reef.  The cost is a smaller
> headsail though.
> 
> The lead ballast would have resulted in a lower centre of gravity that was
> also slightly forward of where it is now.  Lead is expensive so the mass
> production of the boats got iron.  The result of that would have been a
> stiffer boat able to carry more sail in rising wind without healing so
> much...and less squat in the stern as the wave sequence develops as speed
> rises.
> 
> There is another Canadian boat called the Abbott 33 whose rig I have
> daydreamed about fitting to my Alberg some day.  I wouldn't do it partly
> because of the cost and partly because of the fact that Surprise would no
> longer be an Alberg 30 if I did that; but it gives an idea of what might
> have been.  It is taller but bendy - I'll bet the Alberg would be a rocket
> with that in the air above it - but like I said, it would no longer be an
> Alberg!
> 
> Gord
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Gord wrote:
> > 
> > "But man o man I wish Whitby had left the fractional rig and lead
> > ballast! (sorry)"
> > 
> > Just curious... why would they be preferred on the A30?
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:33:34 -0500, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >> Hi there -
> >> 
> >> That thing is called a 'boom claw' and the sail rolls up inside it.  There
> >> is no worry about sliding because that type of vang is meant to pull
> >> straight down to a pad eye or stanchion base on the deck.   It was usefull
> >> because you could move it along the boom so it pulled down from directly
> >> over whatever you shackled the fall of the tackle too...and it also worked
> >> as a preventer.  On the negative side, you had to adjust it every time you
> >> moved the mainsheet - and while gybing you had no vang at all and could hang
> >> the boom up on the backstay.
> >> 
> >> Re: Whitby Folkboats...yes they did build them - and they were distinctly
> >> diff from the later Contessa 26.  Whitby started off importing wooden
> >> Folkboats from Denmark (my beloved #16 Touch Wood among them) and got into
> >> building with the glass versions of those terrific boats.  There was a large
> >> fleet of them on Lake Ontario whose owners went to Whitby with a
> >> specification for a larger boat that was to have similar sea keeping
> >> qualities - the result was the Alberg 30.  But man o man I wish Whitby had
> >> left the fractional rig and lead ballast! (sorry)  My uncle Con Costas built
> >> rigs for both the Whitby Folkboat and the Albergs until he passed away in
> >> '72.  He ran the rigging shop at Tom Taylor Co. which was then the largest
> >> yacht outfitting operation in North America - I tried to fill his shoes
> >> there from '80 to when they finally closed in '85.
> >> 
> >> Gord #426 Surprise
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> George and Mike,
> >>> Guess that it is pretty hard to stump either of you two.  I am curious, were
> >>> these devices commercially available during the time our boats were newer or
> >>> did owners have to custom make something like this to attach a vang?
> >>> First thing I noticed about my boat is no vang.  I have boom roller furling,
> >>> which is nice and convenient, I suppose.  Always wondered how to attach vang
> >>> and still be able to furl.
> >>> 
> >>> What would keep the device in place on the boom?  Friction?  Would that not
> >>> mess up the furled sailcloth?  Perhaps something is missing.
> >>> Michael
> >>> 
> >>> George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>> Michael & Dan,
> >>> 
> >>> Not only are there two Albergs in the middle of Indiana, but their
> >>> skippers both traveled to Annapolis to race on the same A30 on
> >>> consecutive weekends.
> >>> 
> >>> The list is set to strip binary attachments, to prevent distributing
> >>> viruses, so I've posted your photo at
> >>> http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/disorganized/RollerReefingVangAttachment
> >>> .j
> >>> pg
> >>> 
> >>> Recall that these boats originally used roller reefing rather than slab
> >>> reefing. That means that you can't have hardware attached to the boom.
> >>> In order to put a vang on the boom, you slid one of these contraptions
> >>> down the boom with the sail in the slot between the "rollers." Then you
> >>> could wind the main up on the boom within the circle.
> >>> 
> >>> - George
> >>> 
> >>> Michael Connolly wrote:
> >>>> Hello, Last Saturday I spent a delightful day meeting Dan Walker -
> >>>> #145 Rascal and looking at each others boats. It is still amazing to
> >>>> me that here are two Alberg 30's within 18 miles of each other in
> >>>> land-locked central Indiana!! If stories counted ................we
> >>>> must have sailed a thousand miles that day..........very pleasant.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Dan helped me measure my mast and boom. These dimensions are for the
> >>>> aluminum extrusions only; mast 34' 9-1/4" boom 14' 3".
> >>>> 
> >>>> Now for the Quiz. When anyone these days purchases an Alberg 30 the
> >>>> new owner always gets a box of "mystery stuff". Sometimes the seller
> >>>> is forthright and tells you where it is and sometimes it is a
> >>>> surprise 'find' discovered months after you get the boat home. In
> >>>> Dan's "mystery stuff" box were many items most of which we could
> >>>> identify.
> >>>> 
> >>>> One item stumped us. Attached is a pict. This is a very nicely hand
> >>>> made 'Gadget'. The white u-shaped section is a sandwich of two
> >>>> aluminum plates and epoxy resin, then wrapped with white vinyl tape.
> >>>> The rollers are of the polyurethane non-marking type, spaced about
> >>>> 3/4" apart and do not rotate. A shackle is attached at the apex of
> >>>> the u-shape.
> >>>> 
> >>>> All suggestions of what this might be are welcome. Please keep your
> >>>> responses clean as our children read this list.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Michael #133 Lorrie Rose
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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