[Public-list] Rudder cracked, Green Stains down the hull?

Fri Dec 16 13:24:35 PST 2005

Bob;
    Try taking a strong flashlight to see if the seal around the cutlass bearing
holder is leaking below the packing gland on the prop shaft and below the shaft
and even below the caulking back under there as well. It is a difficult spot to
try to see, but you need to get yourself draped over the motor and to one side.
If you can get something to dry the hull back there first like a sponge or
cloth  on a stick  it might help to see the small line of water, because it will
not drip - just trickle to the bottom of the bilge. If it is wet above the shaft
back there then it probably is the rudder packing. If only the front end of the
packing gland is wet, and running back along the bottonm of the shaft rather
than dripping,  then that is where the leak is. For ease of repair, you are
hoping for the last option!
Don #528

Bob Crinion wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> In your rely you mentioned the green stains...
>
> Is this a result of someone trying to adjust the rudder post packing (hull
> 560) and cracking the glassed area around the rudder post gland?
>
> I have checked/looked at the rudder post gland, it and appears not to be
> leaking but somewhere around it is leaking. This is just a guess on my part.
>
> It is one annoying slow leak that came with the boat.
> I have not touched this since I bought the boat for fear of opening a can of
> worms.
> Thing is, it should be fixed, I want to fix it. How does one fix/tackle that
> one?
>
> Thanks
> -bob
> A30 #560
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lehman
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:21 PM
> To: public-list at alberg30.org
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Rudder cracked
>
> There are variations on how the rudder is attached. It changed several times
>
> over the years of production. On Patty's boat #461 the rudder is attached
> with a gudgeon mid-rudder and shoe at the bottom f the keel. I think they
> are all the same in that regard. Where the boats differ is the constrution
> on the rudder itself. The rudder stock on #461 is imbedded in the fiberglass
>
> and extends up throught the cockpit sole. There is no way, short of cutting
> up the rudder, to separate the stock from the rudder. As the rudder stock
> passes through the hull, it goes through a tube which is glassed into the
> hull on the inside of the boat and has a packing nut inside, between the
> hull and the cockpit sole. The older boats have a fiberglass tube that
> conncets the sole to the hull. In the older boats, as the boat moves through
>
> the water, especially under power, the water rises through the tube and wets
>
> the cockpit sole. This is why it is not uncommon to find delamination of the
>
> sole in the older boats and why the change was made to put a packing nut on
> a bronze tube in more recent boats. Now, I dare you to try to repack that
> packing box on the newer boats, it is virtually impossible. That is why you
> see green stains coming down the inside of the hull behind the engine. Hope
> this helps. Let's all keep in mind that the construction of the boats
> changed over the years and a fix for hull #22 would not necessarily work on
> hull number 500. It make it important to stte your hull number when posting
> a problem for advice.
>
> Mike Lehman
> ~~~_/)_/)~~_/)~~~
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Jonathan Whittingham <whittle at shaw.ca>
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> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Rudder cracked
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:03:44 -0800
>
> Dear Listers,
>                   How exactly is the rudder connected to the pipe that runs
> up to the helm? Mine seems to be attached to two deep flanges that are
> bolted to the cheeks of the rudder. If that is all that holds the thing in
> place, could one perhaps simply unbolt the flanges and slip the rudder out
> without having to dig a pit under the whole thing? Regards Jonathan.
>
> >
> >Mike Lehman
> >~~~_/)_/)~~_/)~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: Timbuktu5555 at webtv.net (Patty J)
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> >To: public-list at alberg30.org
> >Subject: [Public-list] Rudder cracked
> >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:34:47 -0600
> >
> >After hauling my boat and having it blocked on land I have discovered a
> >crack right down the middle of the rudder along the rudder post.  Is it
> >easily possible to take the rudder off without having to lift the boat
> >or must the boat be lifted?  Also, what is the best way to repair this
> >problem?  The yard wants to charge me $1,870 to do this and put me back
> >in the water.  I was wondering if I could simply sand the rudder out
> >about half way from the post, slap some fiberglass on it, paint it and
> >be done with it.  It looks like this could be done with the rudder in
> >place.
> >
> >Patty
> >Timbuktu 461
> >
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