[Public-list] inverter - sheet splicing Genoa leads

[John Birch]

The core is not exposed when complete. I'll take a photo, but it will be a 
few days as I am hauling 80 boats this weekend as Club Facilities Director.

Cheers,
John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Bergquist" <jbergqui at gmail.com>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] inverter - sheet splicing Genoa leads


> John-
>
> Does the cover swallow the core, or is the core exposed in the spliced 
> part?
>
>
> I can see how you could do a mobius brummel to attach sheet to clew at
> mid-length, but I don't see how you could get the cover to swallow it back
> up. If the core is exposed, I can see how it would work.
>
> Any chance you could e-mail me a picture? I would like to try it. If it
> works I'll scan the instructions and tell you how I did it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> J
>
> On 10/11/06, John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>> No our sheets are standard Bridgeline ropes double braid. It is I believe
>> a
>> variation on the 'mobius brummel' except the tail lengths are identical.
>> It
>> is a small neat splice and hasn't failed in 10 years of sailing.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "J Bergquist" <jbergqui at gmail.com>
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>;
>> "Alberg 30 Racing" <racing-list at alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] inverter - sheet splicing Genoa leads
>>
>>
>> >I know the Brummel splice well:
>> >
>> > http://www.newenglandropes.com/splice/sp13_sbraid_eye_brummel.htm
>> >
>> > I do it in single braid all the time. But I have never seen it done 
>> > with
>> > double braid. Are your sheets single braid?
>> >
>> > the instructions above show how to do the brummel splice by pulling an
>> end
>> > through. There is another way to tie the same splice without using an
>> end.
>> > This is called the 'mobius brummel' But I don't see how you could do
>> this
>> > one with double braid. I couldn't find online pix of this one, but it's
>> > really cool and easy to do with 12-strand. I learned it from a book
>> called
>> > 'The Rigger's Apprentice' by Brion Toss. Awesome book.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you could do an end-for-end splice with the clew in the middle,
>> as
>> > in:
>> >
>> > http://www.newenglandropes.com/splice/sp22_db-end_for_end.htm
>> >
>> > This would attach sheets to clew but you would start with 2 pieces of
>> > line.
>> > Might be a cool way of doing it...
>> >
>> > Later,
>> >
>> > JB
>> >
>> > On 10/11/06, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi there -
>> >>
>> >> 'fraid I've never heard of that but would be interested in seeing it.
>> >>
>> >> G
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Memory serves it is called a brummel - on woven rode, not twist - 
>> >> > too
>> >> much
>> >> > stretch with twist. Its a rarely used splice but has held up
>> >> > beautifully
>> >> > over the past 10 years. You'll have to look it up I'm afraid since 
>> >> > we
>> >> > haven't needed to do it twice I have forgotten how. It is spliced in
>> >> > the
>> >> > middle of the sheet which and done tightly so the splice doesn't 
>> >> > work
>> >> around
>> >> > and wear in the clew ring. Did it from a splicing book.
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe Gord knows what it is called ?
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "J Bergquist" <jbergqui at gmail.com>
>> >> > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" 
>> >> > <public-list at alberg30.org>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:22 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Public-list] inverter
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> John-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is that mid-splice a core-to-core splice or is it sewn together and
>> >> >> whipped?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If core-to-core, how exactly do you do that? I assume your lines 
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> double-braid. Not sure I see how that would work without running an
>> >> >> end
>> >> >> through. is there something I am missing? Can you do it like a
>> mobius
>> >> >> brummel by tucking twice and collapsing then pulling the middle 
>> >> >> back
>> >> >> through
>> >> >> each collapsed tuck sequentially? Can you then get the cover to
>> >> >> swallow
>> >> it
>> >> >> back up?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> J
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/11/06, John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> We stopped using shackles on genoa & jib clews a number of years
>> ago.
>> >> We
>> >> >>> use
>> >> >>> a continuous line mid spliced to the clew which reduces sheet
>> hang-up
>> >> >>> during
>> >> >>> tacks. I highly recommend it, particularly on roller furlers as 
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> seldom
>> >> >>> change sails. We keep a spare set of sheets if we have to change
>> out
>> >> >>> sails
>> >> >>> for tying on. On Chutes we use a shackle and Gord's line is ideal
>> for
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> purpose.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hope this is a help.
>> >> >>> Cheers,
>> >> >>> John
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
>> >> >>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <
>> public-list at alberg30.org>
>> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:25 AM
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] inverter
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Hi there -
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I think 3:1 would usually be enough... Although you might wish 
>> >> >>>> for
>> >> more
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> few days of the year there is a gale blowing during a race.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I think 7/16 is good for genoa sheets; strength is not an issue;
>> >> >>>> comfort
>> >> >>>> on
>> >> >>>> the hand is the thing.  Bigger is better, but you will resent the
>> >> >>>> weight
>> >> >>>> when sailing in light airs.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> We use a bronze snap shackle for the genny clew but it is lethal
>> >> >>>> when
>> >> >>>> flogging and I am going back to tying bowlines.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Our spinnaker sheets are 5/16" poly sheathed dyneema... Very
>> light,
>> >> >>> don't
>> >> >>>> absorb water and thick enough to hold in most conditions.  We use
>> >> small
>> >> >>>> bronze snap shackles for the clews .
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Gord
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I am thinking of installing an inverter. Has anybody got any
>> >> >>>>> particular
>> >> >>>>> items for discussion on this topic?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Also, I bought some sweet Schaeffer towable jib leads on sale at
>> >> >>>>> APS
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>>>> want to rig them up. Any advice on how much purchase is needed 
>> >> >>>>> to
>> >> move
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>> leads around smoothly with the jib loaded up? Is 3:1 enough? I
>> saw
>> >> >>>>> some
>> >> >>>>> boats at the show have 4 or 5:1.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> What size jib sheets do most people use? Mine are monster 1/2"
>> line
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>>>> I
>> >> >>>>> bought at Bacons before I knew anything about buying line. I 
>> >> >>>>> want
>> >> >>>>> to
>> >> >>>>> replace
>> >> >>>>> them and was thinking 3/8".  I have heard some people say they
>> like
>> >> >>> 7/16"
>> >> >>>>> is
>> >> >>>>> that for strength or for cleat holding? How do most folks attach
>> >> >>>>> jibsheets
>> >> >>>>> to the clew? Currently I use a lark's head which is nice because
>> >> there
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>>>> no
>> >> >>>>> metal at the sheet/clew interface, no chance of catching on
>> >> something,
>> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>>> it's never slipped on me yet. But I was thinking of maybe
>> splicing
>> >> >>> these
>> >> >>>>> lines to the clew (then have a set for each sail...a bit
>> >> expensive...)
>> >> >>> or
>> >> >>>>> using a shackle. I have seen some people just use bowlines. I'd
>> be
>> >> >>>>> interested in knowing if anybody has a particularly good method
>> for
>> >> >>> doing
>> >> >>>>> this.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Finally, what do people use for light weather spinnaker sheets?
>> >> >>> Diameter?
>> >> >>>>> Means of attachment? I figure you could use a VERY small ronstan
>> >> >>> shackle
>> >> >>>>> spliced to the sheet and that would probably be no heavier than 
>> >> >>>>> a
>> >> >>>>> bowline.
>> >> >>>>> Has anybody tried the plastic shackles? They are really light.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Thoughts?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> J Bergquist
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