[Public-List] inner staysl shown on original Whitby Brochure??

David Terrell dterrell1 at charter.net
Fri Mar 9 07:59:36 PST 2012


Gord

Thanks for a good story and some insight about why my Cal 27 was a 
little squirrly off the wind  in heavy weather, rounding up 
unexpectedly.

David


On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:

> In very light air on any point of sail, the spinnaker staysail seemed 
> to do
> nothing but mess up the spinnaker.
>
> In medium air it would draw while reaching, plus or minus a few 
> degrees.
>
> The only time I was on a boat that seemed to benefit from this sail 
> was
> aboard a One Ton yacht back in the old IOR days.  We used that sail in 
> heavy
> air broad reaching under spinnaker.  Fin keeled yachts of the IOR type 
> can
> steer wildly when pressed hard off the wind.... We used the spinnaker
> staysail as an emergency steering assist when the yacht would get out 
> of
> control and start rounding up.   Easing the main while sheeting the 
> staysail
> in hard flat would tend to shove her head down again and help keep us 
> under
> the spinnaker.  Wild and nerve wracking!
>
> Alberg 30's don't have such poor steering characteristics, even when
> pressed, that they need that sort of brutal steering assist.
>
> Which reminds me of one of TOUCH WOOD's triumphs.... Once upon a time 
> at the
> end of the 160 mile annual passage from Toronto to Kingston we used to 
> take
> her on at the beginning of holidays sailing in the Thousand Islands, 
> we were
> blasting up under spinnaker and main from the Duck Islands toward 
> Kingston
> Harbour.  We fell in with a flock of larger 'modern' yachts all on the 
> home
> run of a distance race.  They stampeded past us, some hooting at us 
> for
> being a pretty but slow old boat.  However, as the wind built and 
> backed
> more west, everybody ended up reaching under their chutes... One by 
> one the
> C&C 34's, 30's etc rounded up with sails flogging, gear in 
> disarray.... And
> along we'd come trudging at our 7knts but going like we were on rails. 
> TOUCH
> WOOD was at her max-max flat out hull speed - deep between her bow and 
> stern
> waves with so much force on her rudder that it felt like it was locked
> amidships.  I was a little afraid we'd tear something out of the deck 
> or
> rig, but also felt it would be worth it.   They'd get organized, put 
> their
> bows down again and shoot ahead past us only to round up further along 
> out
> of control...and along we'd come again, catching up.  We ended up 
> getting to
> Kingston right with them (but to leeward, I didn't want to affect 
> their
> race).  We broke nothing, there was no drama, just a soundly designed 
> yacht
> with superb steering and sail carrying characteristics, doing without
> dramatics what she was meant to do.
>
> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>
>
> On 09/03/12 8:33 AM, "Meinhold, Michael J." 
> <MICHAEL.J.MEINHOLD at saic.com>
> wrote:
>
>> They are not allowed by the Chesapeake A30 one-design rule. I have 
>> never
>> seen one on an A30!
>>
>>  What is the wind range for which you find this sail useful?
>>
>> Mike
>> Rinn Duin #272
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org
>> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon 
>> Laco
>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:28 AM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] inner staysl shown on original Whitby
>> Brochure??
>>
>> Good morning -
>> Do you folks in the Cheasapeake fleet use spinnaker staysails? 
>> They're
>> pretty much out of favour here in Ontario in all classes.   I have 
>> one
>> and
>> occasionally use it but it's main benefit seems not to be discernable
>> added
>> thrust, but rather a psychological effect on foes.   In SURPRISE we 
>> took
>> to
>> calling it 'the weapon', and would have over-loud and contrived
>> conversations between cockpit and foredeck about 'should we set the
>> weapon'
>> when racing in close company...and enjoy the nervous glances our foes
>> would
>> be giving us.
>> We've found that the performance envelope of this sail is very 
>> narrow.
>> It
>> only draws well in the vicinity of reaching, and is utterly useless
>> broader
>> reaching and running.  Close reaching with the spinnaker pole just 
>> off
>> the
>> forestay it starts bothering the spinnaker.
>>
>> I don't think its a useful sail for racing - anyone else have any
>> opinions?
>>
>> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/03/12 8:11 AM, "David Terrell" <dterrell1 at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> When I read the sail plan, especially in the context of previous
>>> discussion about the staysail on this site, I think Carl meant  a
>>> staysail. One could also fly a storm sail from the inner forestay.
>>>
>>> david
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Glennb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi George,
>>>>
>>>> yes, Perfect!  I never thought to look in the Association/ racing
>>>> section, only looked under main category of 'Boat'.
>>>>
>>>> thanks much,
>>>> Glenn P
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 7:12 PM, George Dinwiddie
>> <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/8/12 10:10 PM, Glennb wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having these sail dimensions in one spot is very helpful.  might 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> good idea if someone could post them to the A30 web site under
>>>>>> rigging, maybe.  also the mast dimensions and  section etc.  it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be good reference material.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean something like 
>>>>> http://alberg30.org/Assoc/Racing/sails.html
>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> - George
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> 
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