[Public-List] What size fitting for new teak cap rail

Wed May 23 05:59:23 PDT 2012

Well all's well that ends well I reckon, Mike.  It's a good thing nobody was
hurt.

G

On 23/05/12 8:53 AM, "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I was very unhappy and have never raced in any of their sponsored race
> since. As it turned out both boats had the same insurance company, so it was
> like no-fault insurance. But had they been different companies it would have
> been ugly since the race committee would not determine which boat was at
> fault. The damages exceeded $4k which included a Awlgrip paint job...so that
> tells you how long ago it was. The asshole insurance adjuster would not
> accept my 3 quotes from reputable yards in Annapolis, so he inspected the
> boat himself on a snowy February day. He was wearing wing tips and a 3-piece
> suit. He was scared to death to walk down the pier and get on the boat. I
> asked him how many boats he had been on and his reply was...none. He told me
> that the company would only pay for painting the damaged side of the boat,
> not the whole boat. I told him that I would protest his report...until I
> discovered that his was the highest estimate of all the rest. I used the
> extra money to buy a couple of winches I wanted.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Laco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:29 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] What size fitting for new teak cap rail
> 
> Hmmm
> 
> Sounds like the committee needs a lesson.  The collision in itself is as
> clear a declaration of a foul as any red flag.   And equally clearly, your
> duty as skipper to make sure you weren't sinking comes before the
> technicality of raising a flag (which you did do as soon as you could).
> 
> I'd have been unhappy with that committee....
> 
> Gord #426 Surprise
> 
> 
> On 23/05/12 8:20 AM, "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Glen,
>> 
>> I pretty sure that I used #10 screws when I did this job many years ago.
>> The
>> wood was specifically chosen for its tight even grain. Even then, I broke
>> a
>> piece trying to bend it. The most severe bend is from the shrouds forward.
>> I
>> used 5200 to bed the rail. I also drilled out the pop rivets, opened the
>> deck hull seam slightly and filled the seam with 5200. No leaks ever! What
>> prompted all this work for me was a collision with another Alberg in a
>> race
>> in high wind when he lost control of his boat (spinnaker up in 35 knots)
>> and
>> t-boned me on the port side about 4 feet back from the bow. The collision
>> opened the deck/hill seam from the point of collision all the way back to
>> the jib track and the deck was lifted about 3". You could go below, climb
>> over all of the cabinetry that was laying on the cabin sole and look out
>> through the deck/hill seam.  We finished the race, but on a starboard tack
>> the water would pour in so we would flip over to a port tack to pump the
>> bilge. BTW, we were protested from the race because the race committee
>> said
>> that my #1 priority was to display the red protest flag...since it took
>> about 10 minutes to determine if the still seaworthy, I didn't get the
>> flag
>> up in time and was disqualified.
>> 
>> These are strong boats!
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Glennb
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:13 AM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: [Public-List] What size fitting for new teak cap rail
>> 
>> hello all,
>> 
>> I am wondering what size screws to use to fasten a new teak cap rail onto
>> the bulwarks I replaced my old toe rail with?
>> 
>> the new bulwarks are 3 3/4" high, 11/8" thick, and I have milled some 12'
>> teak boards into 5/8 x 2" cap rails.  the problem is teak is not very
>> bendy
>> so doesn't accept the curvy lines of the Alberg 30 very well, particularly
>> amidships, it twists and jumps  up and turns over pretty easily because of
>> stress in the wood fibers,  and fractures and breaks if bent to much,,, so
>> lots of stress along the grain of the wood.
>> 
>> I  steam bent the milled pieces to mitigate the curve of the hull pretty
>> well, but am  concerned about what size wood screw to use to fasten the
>> cap
>> rail down onto the bulwarks.   I have done one segment of cap rail with #8
>> x
>> 11/4" wood screws, leaving about 7/8" embedded in the bulwrk and the top
>> portion of the screw countersunk half way into the 5/8 cap. But the # 8
>> screws seems a little puny!
>> 
>> if  I use a larger counter sunk  woodscrew, say a #10 would that weaken
>> the
>> cross section of wood across the cap rail to much at each screw,  (12 to
>> 16"
>> spacing along the rail) or if I stay with the smaller #8 screw, will that
>> be
>> to little holding power once the ocean slams into the already spring
>> loaded
>> teak rails??
>> 
>> I think I am inclined to go with a larger #10 screw, but would appreciate
>> any advice (tomorrow I install the second length)
>> 
>> P.S.  Also, thoughts on screwing and glueing the teak more or less
>> permanently to the bulwark with epoxy, or just bed it with dolphinite
>> bedding compound... The bulwarks are sapelle, a form of African Mahogony,
>> hence susceptible to rot at some point..
>> 
>> thanks much!
>> 
>> Glenn P.
>> dolce 318
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On May 22, 2012, at 6:15 PM, "John Birch" <Sunstone at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thicker, heavier, is 'more gooder' ; )
>>> 
>>> Used it on our A-30, now on our A-37, makes a difference.
>>> 
>>> ATB
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey" <alberg30 at fongemie.com>
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:48 PM
>>> Subject: [Public-List] What size coax for vhf?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Anyone know anything about coax & vhf radios? I'm replacing the rotten
>>>> old
>>>> wire in the mast. RG-8x or RG-213.  Is R-213 overkill for our boats?
>>>> 
>>>> I've seen the numbers for signal loss, but it means nothing to me. I
>>>> keep
>>>> the radio about two feet from the galley bulkhead so i'm estimating 50
>>>> feet
>>>> to the top of the mast.
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