[Public-List] New furler needed, recommendations? Get a Schaeffer - period, full stop ; )

Wed Dec 10 20:04:45 PST 2014

Hey Michael and all, 

Yep,  on Dolce, once I set up the forestay, it's good for the season.  the only real difficulty with a Harken, is one can't inspect the turnbuckle or rigging.  I like to look at the turnbuckles and rigging periodically to see if they are still there. 

I have a Harken and a North 140 Genoa combination, and hav't noticed any difficulty reefing to any desired sail area.  Also haven't noticed any unmanageable problems with sail shape, as when I roll it up to handkerchief size its blowing more than 25' knots and I am already at least double reefed in the main anyway,  just slogging along with no real expectation of making stiff upwind progress. 

As someone mentioned previously, one thing North sails does to retain airfoil shape - and this is more a function of the sail cut, not the roller furling design, is sew a baggy bunch of rope into the luff.  This rope mass is tapered at the pointy ends (head and tack for the more nautical inclined) and doubled up in the middle of the Genoa.   This  seems to work well on Dolce when I am racing against seagulls, but I have no idea about how one might gain or loose against another boat.  I am not a racer by nature and don't typically race anyone unless I am already dead sure I can beat them before throwing down the gauntlet, so to speak.  And certainly not in 25 knots or better, which is only when this would be an issue to begin with.  north Sails did tell me once their big genoas are only designed to be flown with three or four wraps or less, just because of the air foil issue.  However, I've found my Genoa and roller furling combination have a lot of utility at the higher wind speeds, and wouldn't hesitate to take it off shore for the fabled world cruise.  

The only disadvantage I can see to roller furling is that once wind picks up over 30 or 35 kts, you are pretty much done with the sail.  Its either all wrapped up on the roller or just a barn door out there on the bow, obstructing my view. I did install a Solent stay for such an eventuality, to which I can hank a working jyb or a storm sail.  Also I use the Solent to hank on a second big Genoa for twin down wind sailing, in lieu of those no account devil spinnakers that I keep permanently buried in the hanging locker with an oaken stake through their hearts.  (The boat has been haunted by two of these spineless demons for years, can't get rid of em for some reason).   So effectively have two headsail options with hanks, in addition to the roller furling, and the occasional faint moaning from below.

Glenn B
Dolce #318

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> On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Michael Grosh via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see difficulty in adjusting the
> headstay as a deal breaker. Once it's set up, headstay tension is adjusted
> with the backstay. I don't think I ever mess with the forestay turnbuckle
> on my hank on rig once I get the mast up.
> I can see the usefulness of self furling on larger rigs dealing with larger
> square footage headsails; but there are some advantages to small. Right?
> My son in law had to replace a foil section that got damaged in winter
> storage on his 27 footer. Boogers are delicate when not in the air.
> I bare boated a 39 footer once that had self furling and was told not to
> reef more than 3 turns-more than that and the point load subjected the foil
> to kinking. That was long ago though, perhaps the technology has changed.
> MichaelGrosh
> #220
> On Dec 10, 2014 2:47 PM, "John Birch via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
>> Love our Schaeffer 2000 Furler / Reefer on our A-37, stronger than Harken
>> - better design, twin #6 luff tape foil (internal luff groves, less
>> vulnerable to spin & whisker pole impacts). Bought ours 14 years ago, and
>> have had zero problems.
>> 
>> For an A-30, you'd be looking for the Schaeffer 1100 series.
>> 
>> Built in the USA, employee owned - what's not to like ; )
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Terrell via Public-List" <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: "Richard Mair" <ramair49 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] New furler needed, recommendations?
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>>> 
>>> I have a profurl and think it will meet your needs as it has been used
>>> successfully in round the world races. One of the things I like about it is
>>> that the tension on the fore stay can be adjusted easily. My previous boat
>>> had a harken 00 and on that unit it was very difficult to adjust the
>>> forestay tension. I do not know if Harken has dealt with this issue. I
>>> purchased the boat in 1994. Others can speak to changes Harken may have
>>> made.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Richard Mair via Public-List wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have a Schafer which has been great. It's been across the Atlantic and
>>>> up the St Lawrence. It was on the boat when we bought her ten years ago..
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>>   My furler has multiple issues and needs to be replaced. Any help with
>>>>   finding an appropriate one would be great. Also good places to get it
>>>>   done in Annapolis or Baltimore would be perfect. I plan on offshoring
>>>> a
>>>>   lot long term so assume I need something extra sturdy?
>>>>   Thanks all,
>>>>   Paul.
>>>>   --
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