[Public-List] Motor Replacement continued

Gordon Laco via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Fri Aug 21 15:17:14 PDT 2015 

A marine engine restorer in Toronto told me the two-cylinder models were
once called 'Nagasaki Knockers' connecting the sound with the place they're
built.  He also said they're good engines.

Just back from a bittersweet session salvaging cabin cabinetry from a
Folkboat that is facing being cut up at a friend's boat yard.  The poor old
boat, which once belonged to a dear friend of mine, was brought to the yard
for restoration.  The owner blanched at the cost and abandoned her.  She's
really in dreadful condition and even when new, was an odd version of her
type so she's at the end of the road.

Well parts of her will live on in my Folkboat...and her old folding table
will go aboard SURPRISE.

Gord #426 Surprise


On 21/08/15 5:48 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I understand and do recall from sailing in a J30 that the two cylinder Yanmars
> did create a "certain note." My Vetus was pretty quite I guess, my engine
> compartment has no sound insulation
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Bill Boyle <wpb1210 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I hope Yanmar has improved the noise level of their motors.  We have a 2qm15
>> installed in Slainte #129.  It was done in the early 80's by a previous
>> owner.  I recently replaced all the insulation in the motor box but the db
>> level is still high.  Idling  and low speed are the worst. The yanmar
>> "Hammer" is in full play.
>> 
>> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to
>> all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Cc: Jim Davis <a30240 at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Motor Replacement continued
>> 
>> Wes,
>> 
>> If you would like to see a Yanmar 2GM20F installed in a 1967 Alberg, please
>> let me know.  There is one aboard #262.
>> The new Yanmar's, 2YM15 and 3YM20, have the raw water pump installed with
>> the impeller facing forward and accessible.  Previously you had to remove
>> the pump from the engine to access the impeller.  The oil dipstick has been
>> relocated to the front side of the engine from the starboard side.  On the
>> other hand, the position of the oil filter is worse, seems to be back where
>> the oil dip stick was.
>> 
>> Was wondering which boat you had.  Tried to find you in the A30BoatHistory
>> spreadsheet without success.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, by the way, my boat is a non-liner boat built in '67-#196, so I can
>>> assume that at one point it did have the Atomic4, it still has the shift
>>> linkage cross-brace back behind the motor.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Fraser Kittson via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My 1978 A30 came factory with a Volvo MD7A if you can find on there a
>>> great motor. Drops rite in.
>>>> 
>>>> Fraser Kittson
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Jim Davis via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  A few thoughts on replacement engines.  Back when I owned #240 I put a
>>>>>  Yanmar 2GM in it.  This works well on the pre-liner boats, but on a
>>>>>  liner boat the engine room pan gets in the way as the Yanmar is too
>>>>>  deep.  Westerbeake and Beta are a better option in the liner boats and
>>>>>  if I were to do a repower today I would go with the Beta.  Both
>>>>>  Westerbeake and Beta are as near drop in replacements for the Atomic 4
>>>>>  as you will find and are made on the same Kabota block.  When I did my
>>>>>  repower Beta was the "new kid on the block", but they have now been
>>>>>  around for a couple decades and actively marketing their product.
>>>>>  http://www.betamarinenc.com/
>>>>>  http://www.westerbeke.com/pages/westerbekeengines.htm
>>>>> Jim Davis
>>>>> Privateer Isa Lei
>>>>> 
>>>>> If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most
>>> revolutionary
>>>>> reversal of his record we have ever known.
>>>>> 
>>>>> George C. Marshall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:37:40 -0400
>>>>> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
>>>>>      <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>>>      <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Motor Replacement continued
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Wes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't know what other folks have.
>>>>> #262 has a Yanmar 2GM20F installed by the previous owner, Tom Baker.
>>> Tom
>>>>> got two from Florida
>>>>> #11 (?) Woody has the other 2GM20F from Tom, as far as I know.
>>>>> #247 and #550, which I am familiar with from racing on them, both have
>>>>> Atomic 4's
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That sounds correct...I'd just make doubly sure that your oil pressure
>>>>>> gauge sender and the one for the alarm (if so installed) are all
>>> properly
>>>>>> done. This will include ALL blocks built outside of the States.  By the
>>>>>> way, what motor do most folks have (other than the original A4)?  I may
>>>>>> have to consider an alternative if mine can't be rebuilt.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Jonathan Bresler <
>>> 262alberg30 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Seems that Catalina folk have run into the problem of threads sizes as
>>>>>>> well as wanting a gauge vs a normally-closed switch.
>>>>>>> [1]
>>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3288/oil-pressure-sender-f
>>>>> or-yanmar-diesels.cfm
>>>>>>> From looking around a bit it appears that VDO calls the type with two
>>>>>>> electrical terminals "floating ground" switch as opposed to "standard
>>>>>>> ground" (shorted to engine block).
>>>>>>> [2]
>>> http://www.vdo-instruments.com/sensors/pressure-sensors-switches.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Wes Gardner <
>>> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Good article...could have saved me several grand.  A note about the
>>> oil
>>>>>>>> pressure sender, when it blows out of the side of the motor, no
>>> alarm will
>>>>>>>> sound because it needs the ground from the nipple.  The way to avoid
>>> this
>>>>>>>> is to get a sender that has TWO terminals and ground the ground to
>>> the
>>>>>>>> motor somewhere, that way, when your sender blows out of the side of
>>> the
>>>>>>>> motor, you'll get an alarm (if it's hooked up)...mine was also not
>>> hooked
>>>>>>>> up but wouldn't have worked anyway...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Bresler <
>>> 262alberg30 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ouch!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Was reading earlier this week about a oil pressure senders and the
>>>>>>>>> different threads involved.  1/8" NPT vs 1/8 PT on a Yanmar engine.
>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>> http://www.oceannavigator.com/September-2011/Upgrading-Yanmar-oil-pressu
>>>>> re-gauge-and-sender/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> References
>>>>> 
>>>>>  1.
>>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3288/oil-pressure-sender-for
>>> -yanmar-diesels.cfm
>>>>>  2.
>>> http://www.vdo-instruments.com/sensors/pressure-sensors-switches.html
>>>>>  3.
>>> http://www.oceannavigator.com/September-2011/Upgrading-Yanmar-oil-pressure-g
>>> auge-and-sender/
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>> -- 
>> Jonathan M Bresler
>> Alberg 30 #262
>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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