[Public-List] I'm Looking to buy Alberg 30!

Tue Mar 31 11:45:35 PDT 2015

It would have to be the laws of supply and demand.

My theory is that sailboats are somewhat of a luxury good (even superbly
practical working class Alberg 30s), and the Canadian economy did not tank
nearly as hard as the US economy, so perhaps there was a glut of US
sailboats and a shortage of buyers, that is still sustained (but probably
diminishing) in a slow turnover market even up to now. It is also quite
expensive to move a boat from US waters to Canadian, so the border is not
particularly porous, so a differential can be maintained.

On 31 March 2015 at 14:36, David Fay via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Gord,
>
> It’s an interesting question whether A30 prices are higher in Canada and
> whether that might be because they’re sailed in freshwater.
>
> From my spreadsheet, I classified each boat location according to whether
> it was salt water or fresh water. This is an imperfect process.
> Furthermore, a boat may migrate from one to another over its lifetime. For
> what it’s worth, though, freshwater boats (n = 28) had an average listing
> price of $15,057, 17% higher than saltwater boats (n = 37) at $12,857,
> supporting your observations.
>
> But is this because they’re freshwater, or because they’re mostly
> Canadian? Dividing freshwater boats into Canadian and American, we find
> that Canadian freshwater boats (n = 22) average $16,032 but American
> freshwater boats (n = 6) only $11,483, even less than saltwater boats
> overall. This should be taken with a grain of salt though because the
> sample of American freshwater boats is small. But it (weakly) suggests that
> it’s being Canadian rather than freshwater that raises the price.
>
> What could make Canadian boats more expensive? Here are some possibilities:
>
> 1. There is a higher demand for A30’s in Canada, driving prices up. After
> all, it’s a Canadian-built boat.
>
> 2. Canadians keep their boats up better than Americans. Could this be true?
>
> 3. It has something to do with the exchange rate. However, at current
> exchange rates, Canadian boats should be about 25% less expensive than
> American boats, all other things being equal. That’s obviously not
> happening, so other things must not be equal. But what might those other
> things be?
>
> David
>
> =======================
> The sun, moon, and truth are never hidden for very long.
> ― Buddha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >
> > Good points Dave -
> >
> > I've noticed over the years that A30's seem to traffic at higher prices
> than
> > in the States even considering the exchange rate.
> >
> > My guess has been that a higher percentage of our boats live their lives
> in
> > fresh water and that tends to age them more gently...  I was very
> interested
> > in seeing what trend your research has shown.
> >
> > I don't think I've ever seen data on a one-design presented as so
> thorough a
> > snap shot of the current state of affairs.
> >
> > Gord #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> > On 30/03/15 10:40 AM, "David Fay via Public-List"
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I’ve had many requests for my spreadsheet this morning and several
> interesting
> >> side discussions with people looking for an A30 or selling one. One
> thing that
> >> has come up for Canadian boats is whether the asking price is in
> Canadian or
> >> American dollars. In my spreadsheet I tried to be careful about that
> since
> >> there is a 25% discrepancy between the two at current exchange rates.
> But I
> >> wasn’t always able to tell.
> >
> > So, for Canadian sellers, be sure to say what
> >> currency you’re using. And if you’re willing to accept Canadian
> dollars, your
> >> boat could be much more attractive to an American
> >> buyer.
> >
> > David
> > ===============================
> > If a man must be obsessed by
> >> something, I suppose a boat is as good as anything, and perhaps a bit
> better
> >> than most. A small sailing craft is not only beautiful, it is seductive
> and
> >> full of strange promise and the hint of trouble.
> > — E. B. White
> >
> >> On Mar 30,
> >> 2015, at 7:27 AM, David Fay <davidfay999 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I too am
> >> looking for an Alberg 30. I am particularly interested in one with a
> trailer
> >> and I don’t need an engine since I plan to go electric. But I am open
> to all
> >> possibilities. No project boats however.
> >>
> >> I've done a pretty thorough
> >> search of A30’s currently listed for sale and have put together a
> spreadsheet
> >> with all the listings. My spreadsheet has 81 boats on it, 21 of which
> have
> >> been sold in recent years (to get an idea of selling prices). Of the 60
> unsold
> >> boats currently on the market, 13 are what I would call project boats.
> So
> >> there are 47 boats that I am potentially interested in.
> >>
> >> For each boat in
> >> the spreadsheet, I have included year built, number, name, location
> >> (city/town), state (or province), listing date, listing price, engine
> type,
> >> listing URL, and many other attributes.
> >>
> >> I’d be happy to send the
> >> spreadsheet to anyone that would like it.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> ===============================
> >> If you want to go quickly, go alone; if you
> >> want to go far, go together.
> >> — African proverb
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 30,
> >> 2015, at 1:33 AM, Zlatko Jozic via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >> <mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Guys-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I'm looking to buy Alberg 30, preferably post 1970 (with balsa core deck
> >> and
> >>> added beam support) structurally sound in relatively good shape.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I already scanned all boats on  http://www.sailboatlistings.com
> >> <http://www.sailboatlistings.com/>
> >>>
> >>> and  http://www.yachtworld.com
> >> <http://www.yachtworld.com/> but I'm sure there're boats for sale
> listed
> >>> on
> >> local Craigslist or not listed online, at all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in
> >> advance,
> >>>
> >>> Zlatko Jozic
> >>>
> >>> Fort Myers, FL
> >>>
> >>> zlatko at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:zlatko at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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