[Public-List] I'm Looking to buy Alberg 30!

Tue Mar 31 11:55:32 PDT 2015

Hello again - 

Just thought of something else... When I was in Annapolis to speak at the
association winter dinner (thank you for the invitation, I really enjoyed
meeting people and the occasion itself) I noticed that most of the boats I
saw were pre-400 series types.  Perhaps that's part of the reason?

I'm just writing while I'm thinking.... Maybe that's not it at all... I've
seen some pretty good pre-400 series boats around here that were NOT less
expensive...

Oh well....

G

On 31/03/15 2:45 PM, "Dominic Amann via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> It would have to be the laws of supply and demand.

My theory is that
> sailboats are somewhat of a luxury good (even superbly
practical working class
> Alberg 30s), and the Canadian economy did not tank
nearly as hard as the US
> economy, so perhaps there was a glut of US
sailboats and a shortage of buyers,
> that is still sustained (but probably
diminishing) in a slow turnover market
> even up to now. It is also quite
expensive to move a boat from US waters to
> Canadian, so the border is not
particularly porous, so a differential can be
> maintained.

On 31 March 2015 at 14:36, David Fay via Public-List
> <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Gord,
>
> It’s an interesting
> question whether A30 prices are higher in Canada and
> whether that might be
> because they’re sailed in freshwater.
>
> From my spreadsheet, I classified
> each boat location according to whether
> it was salt water or fresh water.
> This is an imperfect process.
> Furthermore, a boat may migrate from one to
> another over its lifetime. For
> what it’s worth, though, freshwater boats (n
> = 28) had an average listing
> price of $15,057, 17% higher than saltwater
> boats (n = 37) at $12,857,
> supporting your observations.
>
> But is this
> because they’re freshwater, or because they’re mostly
> Canadian? Dividing
> freshwater boats into Canadian and American, we find
> that Canadian
> freshwater boats (n = 22) average $16,032 but American
> freshwater boats (n =
> 6) only $11,483, even less than saltwater boats
> overall. This should be
> taken with a grain of salt though because the
> sample of American freshwater
> boats is small. But it (weakly) suggests that
> it’s being Canadian rather
> than freshwater that raises the price.
>
> What could make Canadian boats more
> expensive? Here are some possibilities:
>
> 1. There is a higher demand for
> A30’s in Canada, driving prices up. After
> all, it’s a Canadian-built
> boat.
>
> 2. Canadians keep their boats up better than Americans. Could this
> be true?
>
> 3. It has something to do with the exchange rate. However, at
> current
> exchange rates, Canadian boats should be about 25% less expensive
> than
> American boats, all other things being equal. That’s obviously not
>
> happening, so other things must not be equal. But what might those other
>
> things be?
>
> David
>
> =======================
> The sun, moon, and truth
> are never hidden for very long.
> ― Buddha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 2015, at
> 10:45 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >
> > Good points Dave
> -
> >
> > I've noticed over the years that A30's seem to traffic at higher
> prices
> than
> > in the States even considering the exchange rate.
> >
> > My
> guess has been that a higher percentage of our boats live their lives
> in
> >
> fresh water and that tends to age them more gently...  I was very
>
> interested
> > in seeing what trend your research has shown.
> >
> > I don't
> think I've ever seen data on a one-design presented as so
> thorough a
> >
> snap shot of the current state of affairs.
> >
> > Gord #426 Surprise
> >
>
> >
> > On 30/03/15 10:40 AM, "David Fay via Public-List"
> >
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I’ve had many requests for my
> spreadsheet this morning and several
> interesting
> >> side discussions with
> people looking for an A30 or selling one. One
> thing that
> >> has come up
> for Canadian boats is whether the asking price is in
> Canadian or
> >>
> American dollars. In my spreadsheet I tried to be careful about that
> since
>
> >> there is a 25% discrepancy between the two at current exchange rates.
> But
> I
> >> wasn’t always able to tell.
> >
> > So, for Canadian sellers, be sure
> to say what
> >> currency you’re using. And if you’re willing to accept
> Canadian
> dollars, your
> >> boat could be much more attractive to an
> American
> >> buyer.
> >
> > David
> > ===============================
> > If
> a man must be obsessed by
> >> something, I suppose a boat is as good as
> anything, and perhaps a bit
> better
> >> than most. A small sailing craft is
> not only beautiful, it is seductive
> and
> >> full of strange promise and the
> hint of trouble.
> > ― E. B. White
> >
> >> On Mar 30,
> >> 2015, at 7:27 AM,
> David Fay <davidfay999 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I too am
> >> looking for
> an Alberg 30. I am particularly interested in one with a
> trailer
> >> and I
> don’t need an engine since I plan to go electric. But I am open
> to all
> >>
> possibilities. No project boats however.
> >>
> >> I've done a pretty
> thorough
> >> search of A30’s currently listed for sale and have put together
> a
> spreadsheet
> >> with all the listings. My spreadsheet has 81 boats on it,
> 21 of which
> have
> >> been sold in recent years (to get an idea of selling
> prices). Of the 60
> unsold
> >> boats currently on the market, 13 are what I
> would call project boats.
> So
> >> there are 47 boats that I am potentially
> interested in.
> >>
> >> For each boat in
> >> the spreadsheet, I have
> included year built, number, name, location
> >> (city/town), state (or
> province), listing date, listing price, engine
> type,
> >> listing URL, and
> many other attributes.
> >>
> >> I’d be happy to send the
> >> spreadsheet to
> anyone that would like it.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> ===============================
> >> If you want to go quickly, go alone; if
> you
> >> want to go far, go together.
> >> ― African proverb
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 30,
> >> 2015, at 1:33 AM, Zlatko Jozic via Public-List <
>
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >> <mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Guys-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I'm looking to buy
> Alberg 30, preferably post 1970 (with balsa core deck
> >> and
> >>> added
> beam support) structurally sound in relatively good shape.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I
> already scanned all boats on  http://www.sailboatlistings.com
> >>
> <http://www.sailboatlistings.com/>
> >>>
> >>> and
> http://www.yachtworld.com
> >> <http://www.yachtworld.com/> but I'm sure
> there're boats for sale
> listed
> >>> on
> >> local Craigslist or not listed
> online, at all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in
> >> advance,
> >>>
> >>>
> Zlatko Jozic
> >>>
> >>> Fort Myers, FL
> >>>
> >>> zlatko at gmail.com
> >>
> <mailto:zlatko at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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