[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3038, Issue 1

Ramon Hildreth via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Wed May 27 10:52:49 PDT 2015


Hello
I'm considering putting a hatch in my cockpit floor for better engine access. Has anyone done this and if so any recommendations on the brand/type hatch used and any install notes or gotchas?

Thanks!

Ramon
#471 
Seattle

Ramon


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> can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to get a visual?
> Thanks
> Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa
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>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400
>> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
>>    <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging
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>> Hello again
>> 
>> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit in the masthead casting.  They are not long enough and too thick.  So i think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose swage eyes and extensions.  Should be better then the current forestay that has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go.
>> 
>> Thanks for all your help,
>> 
>> Maurice 
>> Avoca #322
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The swage
>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit :
>>> 
>>> Just a thought...
>>> 
>>> We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with a
>>> swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud for the
>>> turnbuckle.  The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the cost
>>> of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right length
>>> using the old stay as a pattern.  The swageless terminal can be fitted on
>>> using a couple of wrenches.  I like them a lot.
>>> 
>>> On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in
>>> addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a
>>> furler...
>>> 
>>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning,
>>>> 
>>>> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club called The
>>>> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever you need.
>>>> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals.  Hi Mod are not widely
>>>> used here on Canada.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't familiar
>>>> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam.
>>>> 
>>>> Gord #426 Surprise.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in.  I guess I have the
>>>>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a 7/16
>>>>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario.  Otherwise,
>>>>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting that
>>>>> should work.  I never thought about the staloc will mention that to the
>>>>> rigger!  Anyone with more input would be welcomed!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks all!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maurice
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from several years
>>>>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to fit
>>>>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where the 1/2"
>>>>>> pin mounts.  I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the thickness
>>>>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of the mast
>>>>>> head casting.  The  local riggers were aghast of course, but the remaining
>>>>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking strength some
>>>>>> felt safe enough doing so.  Couple years later I had the entire mast head
>>>>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum tangs for
>>>>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head fitting
>>>>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new home...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the forestry
>>>>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed into the to
>>>>>> skinny  space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a swivel at
>>>>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the vertical
>>>>>> plane....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be very common
>>>>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Glenn B
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List
>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good evening friends
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very common.
>>>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging.  I am having the fore stay and
>>>>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with thimble
>>>>>>>> and nicropress as original.  Rigger is suggesting a toggle on the 1/2 pin
>>>>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a universal
>>>>>>>> joint.   Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this hardware. My
>>>>>>>> Alberg  seems to have the original setup.  Any guidance on how you have
>>>>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Maurice 
>>>>>>>> Avoca #322
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:20:50 -0400
> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
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> To: brian curry <brian_curry at hotmail.com>,    Alberg 30 Public List --
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question
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> Hello,
> 
> Not sure how to post a photo but if you look at the 2013 Nood regatta (Annapolis, MD) video posted on youtube right at the start you get a good shot of the masthead casting with pins for forestay and backstay.  Somehow, Lin Gin managed to insert swage eyes in the slot in the masthead casting.  Probably, ground down a touch as Glenn was sugesting earlier.  I will use machined flat bar stainless to attach to the pins and extend outward then add a toggle to attach sta-loc eyes maybe overkill but should work. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Maurice
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 2015-05-26 ? 15:46, brian curry via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
>> 
>> can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to get a visuloal?
>> seqxsxs. Dv.  Thanks
>> Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa
>> 
>>> Subject: Public-List Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1
>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:03:39 -0700
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>>>  1. Re: Standing rigging (Christine + Maurice via Public-List)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400
>>> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
>>>   <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>   <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging
>>> Message-ID: <0C22853C-E69B-4449-8D64-198EDB5B0641 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> Hello again
>>> 
>>> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit in the masthead casting.  They are not long enough and too thick.  So i think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose swage eyes and extensions.  Should be better then the current forestay that has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all your help,
>>> 
>>> Maurice 
>>> Avoca #322
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The swage
>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit :
>>>> 
>>>> Just a thought...
>>>> 
>>>> We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with a
>>>> swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud for the
>>>> turnbuckle.  The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the cost
>>>> of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right length
>>>> using the old stay as a pattern.  The swageless terminal can be fitted on
>>>> using a couple of wrenches.  I like them a lot.
>>>> 
>>>> On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in
>>>> addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a
>>>> furler...
>>>> 
>>>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club called The
>>>>> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever you need.
>>>>> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals.  Hi Mod are not widely
>>>>> used here on Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't familiar
>>>>> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gord #426 Surprise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in.  I guess I have the
>>>>>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a 7/16
>>>>>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario.  Otherwise,
>>>>>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting that
>>>>>> should work.  I never thought about the staloc will mention that to the
>>>>>> rigger!  Anyone with more input would be welcomed!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks all!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maurice
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from several years
>>>>>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to fit
>>>>>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where the 1/2"
>>>>>>> pin mounts.  I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the thickness
>>>>>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of the mast
>>>>>>> head casting.  The  local riggers were aghast of course, but the remaining
>>>>>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking strength some
>>>>>>> felt safe enough doing so.  Couple years later I had the entire mast head
>>>>>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum tangs for
>>>>>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head fitting
>>>>>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new home...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the forestry
>>>>>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed into the to
>>>>>>> skinny  space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a swivel at
>>>>>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the vertical
>>>>>>> plane....
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be very common
>>>>>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Glenn B
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List
>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Good evening friends
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very common.
>>>>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
>>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging.  I am having the fore stay and
>>>>>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with thimble
>>>>>>>>> and nicropress as original.  Rigger is suggesting a toggle on the 1/2 pin
>>>>>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a universal
>>>>>>>>> joint.   Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this hardware. My
>>>>>>>>> Alberg  seems to have the original setup.  Any guidance on how you have
>>>>>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Maurice 
>>>>>>>>> Avoca #322
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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> Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 14:22:00 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Michael Connolly via Public-List
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> To: Christine + Maurice <mpcbi at aol.com>,    Alberg 30 Public List --
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question
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> Maurice, 
> You solution sounds like the way to go. Should work well and be strong. If you don't want/need a toggle at the upper end you could use a sta-loc with a fork to fit over the flat bar. This means one less piece/connection. 
> Michael 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Christine + Maurice via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
> To: "brian curry" <brian_curry at hotmail.com>, "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:20:50 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question Public-List????????Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Not sure how to post a photo but if you look at the 2013 Nood regatta (Annapolis, MD) video posted on youtube right at the start you get a good shot of the masthead casting with pins for forestay and backstay. ?Somehow, Lin Gin managed to insert swage eyes in the slot in the masthead casting. ?Probably, ground down a touch as Glenn was sugesting earlier. ?I will use machined flat bar stainless to attach to the pins and extend outward then add a toggle to attach sta-loc eyes maybe overkill but should work. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Maurice 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 2015-05-26 ? 15:46, brian curry via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit : 
>> 
>> can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to get a visuloal? 
>> seqxsxs. Dv. ?Thanks 
>> Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa 
>> 
>>> Subject: Public-List Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1 
>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org 
>>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:03:39 -0700 
>>> From: public-list at lists.alberg30.org 
>>> 
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>>> ? 1. Re: Standing rigging (Christine + Maurice via Public-List) 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> 
>>> Message: 1 
>>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400 
>>> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List 
>>> ? ?<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
>>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> 
>>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all 
>>> ? ?<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging 
>>> Message-ID: <0C22853C-E69B-4449-8D64-198EDB5B0641 at aol.com> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; ? ?charset=utf-8 
>>> 
>>> Hello again 
>>> 
>>> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit in the masthead casting. ?They are not long enough and too thick. ?So i think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose swage eyes and extensions. ?Should be better then the current forestay that has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all your help, 
>>> 
>>> Maurice 
>>> Avoca #322 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The swage 
>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit : 
>>>> 
>>>> Just a thought... 
>>>> 
>>>> We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with a 
>>>> swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud for the 
>>>> turnbuckle. ?The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the cost 
>>>> of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right length 
>>>> using the old stay as a pattern. ?The swageless terminal can be fitted on 
>>>> using a couple of wrenches. ?I like them a lot. 
>>>> 
>>>> On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in 
>>>> addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a 
>>>> furler... 
>>>> 
>>>> Gord #426 Surprise 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club called The 
>>>>> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever you need. 
>>>>> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals. ?Hi Mod are not widely 
>>>>> used here on Canada. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't familiar 
>>>>> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gord #426 Surprise. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List 
>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello again, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in. ?I guess I have the 
>>>>>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a 7/16 
>>>>>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario. ?Otherwise, 
>>>>>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting that 
>>>>>> should work. ?I never thought about the staloc will mention that to the 
>>>>>> rigger! ?Anyone with more input would be welcomed! 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks all! 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maurice 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List 
>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit : 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from several years 
>>>>>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to fit 
>>>>>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where the 1/2" 
>>>>>>> pin mounts. ?I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the thickness 
>>>>>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of the mast 
>>>>>>> head casting. ?The ?local riggers were aghast of course, but the remaining 
>>>>>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking strength some 
>>>>>>> felt safe enough doing so. ?Couple years later I had the entire mast head 
>>>>>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum tangs for 
>>>>>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head fitting 
>>>>>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new home... 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the forestry 
>>>>>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed into the to 
>>>>>>> skinny ?space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a swivel at 
>>>>>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the vertical 
>>>>>>> plane.... 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be very common 
>>>>>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Glenn B 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List 
>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Good evening friends 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very common. 
>>>>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gord 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List 
>>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging. ?I am having the fore stay and 
>>>>>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with thimble 
>>>>>>>>> and nicropress as original. ?Rigger is suggesting a toggle on the 1/2 pin 
>>>>>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a universal 
>>>>>>>>> joint. ? Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this hardware. My 
>>>>>>>>> Alberg ?seems to have the original setup. ?Any guidance on how you have 
>>>>>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly appreciated. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Maurice 
>>>>>>>>> Avoca #322 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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