[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3038, Issue 1
Wes Gardner via Public-List
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Wed May 27 12:14:33 PDT 2015
I too have a hatch installed from a previous owner. It is a Tempress 13
x22 plastic hatch. Yes I step on it (gently), yes it leaks a bit because
the dog(s) are broken. Yes, it's fit for Chesapeake Bay cruising as I use
the boat. No, it's unfit for offshore work where it's EXPECTED to take
green water in the cockpit.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ramon Hildreth via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Hello
> I'm considering putting a hatch in my cockpit floor for better engine
> access. Has anyone done this and if so any recommendations on the
> brand/type hatch used and any install notes or gotchas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ramon
> #471
> Seattle
>
> Ramon
>
>
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> > Vol 3037, Issue 1 (Christine + Maurice via Public-List)
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> > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:46:07 -0400
> > From: brian curry via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > To: "public-list at lists.alberg30.org" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question
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> > can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to
> get a visual?
> > Thanks
> > Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa
> >
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> >> 1. Re: Standing rigging (Christine + Maurice via Public-List)
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400
> >> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> >> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging
> >> Message-ID: <0C22853C-E69B-4449-8D64-198EDB5B0641 at aol.com>
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> >>
> >> Hello again
> >>
> >> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit
> in the masthead casting. They are not long enough and too thick. So i
> think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose
> swage eyes and extensions. Should be better then the current forestay that
> has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go.
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your help,
> >>
> >> Maurice
> >> Avoca #322
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The swage
> >>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit :
> >>>
> >>> Just a thought...
> >>>
> >>> We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with a
> >>> swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud
> for the
> >>> turnbuckle. The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the
> cost
> >>> of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right
> length
> >>> using the old stay as a pattern. The swageless terminal can be fitted
> on
> >>> using a couple of wrenches. I like them a lot.
> >>>
> >>> On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in
> >>> addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a
> >>> furler...
> >>>
> >>> Gord #426 Surprise
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Good morning,
> >>>>
> >>>> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club called
> The
> >>>> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever
> you need.
> >>>> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals. Hi Mod are not
> widely
> >>>> used here on Canada.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't
> familiar
> >>>> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gord #426 Surprise.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello again,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in. I guess I
> have the
> >>>>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a
> 7/16
> >>>>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario.
> Otherwise,
> >>>>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting
> that
> >>>>> should work. I never thought about the staloc will mention that to
> the
> >>>>> rigger! Anyone with more input would be welcomed!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks all!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maurice
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> >>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from several
> years
> >>>>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to
> fit
> >>>>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where
> the 1/2"
> >>>>>> pin mounts. I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the
> thickness
> >>>>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of
> the mast
> >>>>>> head casting. The local riggers were aghast of course, but the
> remaining
> >>>>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking
> strength some
> >>>>>> felt safe enough doing so. Couple years later I had the entire
> mast head
> >>>>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum
> tangs for
> >>>>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head
> fitting
> >>>>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new
> home...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the
> forestry
> >>>>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed into
> the to
> >>>>>> skinny space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a
> swivel at
> >>>>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the
> vertical
> >>>>>> plane....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be
> very common
> >>>>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Glenn B
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List
> >>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good evening friends
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very
> common.
> >>>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gord
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging. I am having the fore
> stay and
> >>>>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with
> thimble
> >>>>>>>> and nicropress as original. Rigger is suggesting a toggle on the
> 1/2 pin
> >>>>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a
> universal
> >>>>>>>> joint. Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this
> hardware. My
> >>>>>>>> Alberg seems to have the original setup. Any guidance on how
> you have
> >>>>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly
> appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Maurice
> >>>>>>>> Avoca #322
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:20:50 -0400
> > From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > To: brian curry <brian_curry at hotmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List --
> > open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question
> > Public-List Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1
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> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Not sure how to post a photo but if you look at the 2013 Nood regatta
> (Annapolis, MD) video posted on youtube right at the start you get a good
> shot of the masthead casting with pins for forestay and backstay. Somehow,
> Lin Gin managed to insert swage eyes in the slot in the masthead casting.
> Probably, ground down a touch as Glenn was sugesting earlier. I will use
> machined flat bar stainless to attach to the pins and extend outward then
> add a toggle to attach sta-loc eyes maybe overkill but should work.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Maurice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Le 2015-05-26 ? 15:46, brian curry via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
> >>
> >> can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to
> get a visuloal?
> >> seqxsxs. Dv. Thanks
> >> Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa
> >>
> >>> Subject: Public-List Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1
> >>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:03:39 -0700
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> >>> 1. Re: Standing rigging (Christine + Maurice via Public-List)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400
> >>> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging
> >>> Message-ID: <0C22853C-E69B-4449-8D64-198EDB5B0641 at aol.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>>
> >>> Hello again
> >>>
> >>> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit
> in the masthead casting. They are not long enough and too thick. So i
> think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose
> swage eyes and extensions. Should be better then the current forestay that
> has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for all your help,
> >>>
> >>> Maurice
> >>> Avoca #322
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The swage
> >>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit :
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a thought...
> >>>>
> >>>> We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with
> a
> >>>> swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud
> for the
> >>>> turnbuckle. The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the
> cost
> >>>> of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right
> length
> >>>> using the old stay as a pattern. The swageless terminal can be
> fitted on
> >>>> using a couple of wrenches. I like them a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in
> >>>> addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a
> >>>> furler...
> >>>>
> >>>> Gord #426 Surprise
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good morning,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club
> called The
> >>>>> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever
> you need.
> >>>>> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals. Hi Mod are
> not widely
> >>>>> used here on Canada.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't
> familiar
> >>>>> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gord #426 Surprise.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello again,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in. I guess I
> have the
> >>>>>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a
> 7/16
> >>>>>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario.
> Otherwise,
> >>>>>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting
> that
> >>>>>> should work. I never thought about the staloc will mention that to
> the
> >>>>>> rigger! Anyone with more input would be welcomed!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks all!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maurice
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> >>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from
> several years
> >>>>>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to
> fit
> >>>>>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where
> the 1/2"
> >>>>>>> pin mounts. I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the
> thickness
> >>>>>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of
> the mast
> >>>>>>> head casting. The local riggers were aghast of course, but the
> remaining
> >>>>>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking
> strength some
> >>>>>>> felt safe enough doing so. Couple years later I had the entire
> mast head
> >>>>>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum
> tangs for
> >>>>>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head
> fitting
> >>>>>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new
> home...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the
> forestry
> >>>>>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed
> into the to
> >>>>>>> skinny space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a
> swivel at
> >>>>>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the
> vertical
> >>>>>>> plane....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be
> very common
> >>>>>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Glenn B
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List
> >>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good evening friends
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very
> common.
> >>>>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gord
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging. I am having the fore
> stay and
> >>>>>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with
> thimble
> >>>>>>>>> and nicropress as original. Rigger is suggesting a toggle on
> the 1/2 pin
> >>>>>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a
> universal
> >>>>>>>>> joint. Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this
> hardware. My
> >>>>>>>>> Alberg seems to have the original setup. Any guidance on how
> you have
> >>>>>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly
> appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maurice
> >>>>>>>>> Avoca #322
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 14:22:00 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Michael Connolly via Public-List
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > To: Christine + Maurice <mpcbi at aol.com>, Alberg 30 Public List --
> > open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question
> > Public-List Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1
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> > Maurice,
> > You solution sounds like the way to go. Should work well and be strong.
> If you don't want/need a toggle at the upper end you could use a sta-loc
> with a fork to fit over the flat bar. This means one less piece/connection.
> > Michael
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Christine + Maurice via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > To: "brian curry" <brian_curry at hotmail.com>, "Alberg 30 Public List --
> open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:20:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question
> Public-List????????Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Not sure how to post a photo but if you look at the 2013 Nood regatta
> (Annapolis, MD) video posted on youtube right at the start you get a good
> shot of the masthead casting with pins for forestay and backstay. ?Somehow,
> Lin Gin managed to insert swage eyes in the slot in the masthead casting.
> ?Probably, ground down a touch as Glenn was sugesting earlier. ?I will use
> machined flat bar stainless to attach to the pins and extend outward then
> add a toggle to attach sta-loc eyes maybe overkill but should work.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Maurice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Le 2015-05-26 ? 15:46, brian curry via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
> >>
> >> can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to
> get a visuloal?
> >> seqxsxs. Dv. ?Thanks
> >> Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa
> >>
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> >>> ? 1. Re: Standing rigging (Christine + Maurice via Public-List)
> >>>
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> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400
> >>> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>> ? ?<public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>> ? ?<public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging
> >>> Message-ID: <0C22853C-E69B-4449-8D64-198EDB5B0641 at aol.com>
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> >>>
> >>> Hello again
> >>>
> >>> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit
> in the masthead casting. ?They are not long enough and too thick. ?So i
> think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose
> swage eyes and extensions. ?Should be better then the current forestay that
> has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for all your help,
> >>>
> >>> Maurice
> >>> Avoca #322
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The swage
> >>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit :
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a thought...
> >>>>
> >>>> We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with
> a
> >>>> swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud
> for the
> >>>> turnbuckle. ?The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the
> cost
> >>>> of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right
> length
> >>>> using the old stay as a pattern. ?The swageless terminal can be
> fitted on
> >>>> using a couple of wrenches. ?I like them a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in
> >>>> addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a
> >>>> furler...
> >>>>
> >>>> Gord #426 Surprise
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good morning,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club
> called The
> >>>>> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever
> you need.
> >>>>> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals. ?Hi Mod are
> not widely
> >>>>> used here on Canada.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't
> familiar
> >>>>> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gord #426 Surprise.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello again,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in. ?I guess I
> have the
> >>>>>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a
> 7/16
> >>>>>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario.
> ?Otherwise,
> >>>>>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting
> that
> >>>>>> should work. ?I never thought about the staloc will mention that to
> the
> >>>>>> rigger! ?Anyone with more input would be welcomed!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks all!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maurice
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> >>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from
> several years
> >>>>>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to
> fit
> >>>>>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where
> the 1/2"
> >>>>>>> pin mounts. ?I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the
> thickness
> >>>>>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of
> the mast
> >>>>>>> head casting. ?The ?local riggers were aghast of course, but the
> remaining
> >>>>>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking
> strength some
> >>>>>>> felt safe enough doing so. ?Couple years later I had the entire
> mast head
> >>>>>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum
> tangs for
> >>>>>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head
> fitting
> >>>>>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new
> home...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the
> forestry
> >>>>>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed
> into the to
> >>>>>>> skinny ?space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a
> swivel at
> >>>>>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the
> vertical
> >>>>>>> plane....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be
> very common
> >>>>>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Glenn B
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List
> >>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good evening friends
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very
> common.
> >>>>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gord
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List
> >>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging. ?I am having the fore
> stay and
> >>>>>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with
> thimble
> >>>>>>>>> and nicropress as original. ?Rigger is suggesting a toggle on
> the 1/2 pin
> >>>>>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a
> universal
> >>>>>>>>> joint. ? Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this
> hardware. My
> >>>>>>>>> Alberg ?seems to have the original setup. ?Any guidance on how
> you have
> >>>>>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly
> appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maurice
> >>>>>>>>> Avoca #322
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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