[Public-List] Reefing/furling
Dustin Hogard
dustinhogard at gmail.com
Thu Oct 5 21:15:17 PDT 2017
To whom it may concern,
I've had Revolver, Hull # 140, for sale for quite a while now but didn't in
my heart of hearts really want to sell her. So I apologize if any of you
inquired about her status and I didn't get back to you.
I just found out that I have to relocate my business in 4 months, which is
going to be a great next chapter in my life, but it means I need to get
serous about selling my Alberg 30.
I had a broker list it with details and photos. You do not need to go
through the broker. Just for the sake of getting detailed information, you
can find them here: https://www.popyachts.com/sloop-sailboats-for-sale/
whitby-boat-works-alberg-30-in-kemah-texas-96821
(Sorry, if you have to make an account and log on that's just how they do
things to see their listings)
Please let me know how serious of a buyer you are and I can provide more
information and arrange to meet to show the boat.
It's currently located in Seabrook, Texas
~ Dustin
Revolver
#140
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Two thoughts: first the stay sail. The sail plan on the AL30 is a
> gerrymandered rig because of Humber Bay in Toronto, (also known as Slumber
> Bay). It was designed by Alberg as a fractional rig and Kurt raised it to
> a masthead rig because of light summer winds in Toronto. I know of only
> one deck that can withstand the force of a baby stay without further
> reinforcement and that was Hull number 7 and sail number in the 20's, owned
> by Denis Furniss. There was an oak plank, 2" x 14" from the bulkhead to the
> deck head piece under the deck to support a windlass on that boat. Denis
> was the mold maker for Kurt. He could do as he liked on the hull . (He also
> had a roll-out double bed in the main cabin). Consider the geometry of
> the sail plan if you do change. We already have a center of effort (CoE)
> that is aft and so helm can be a problem. Having a sail on the forestay
> keeps the CoE of the foresail forward and also that of the combined CoE
> forward. Pointing ability will be better with the sail on the forestay. As
> long as one can establish a slot between foresail and main, things will
> work well. On the other hand, Joe Fernandez, the sail builder for most of
> the original sails on AL30s had a rule of thumb that went like this: For
> racing; Up to 15 knots use full sail allowed (163 jib and full main).
> Between 15 and 22 knots use a smaller foresail (135 -150) and one reef in
> the main. More than 22 knots take the main down and sail on the jib! Don't
> forget that you develop between 65 and 70% of your power from your
> foresail. Why you want to reduce that potential is questionable in my
> opinion.
> Second thought: As for the area of a sail and decksweepers, old math
> states the area of a triangle is 1/2 the base x height. and height is the
> perpendicular from the apex(clew) to the base (luff). Therefore as long as
> the angle at the tack from head to tack to the clew is less than 90
> degrees, the perpendicular to the luff is the same regardless of whether
> the sail is high cut or decksweeper. The only way to get more area is to
> increase the perpendicular distance.
> Don
> -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: George Dinwiddie via Public-List
>
> Cc: Gordon Laco
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reefing/furling
>
> Yes... so long as the very tight wraps resulting from furling in heavy air
> are relieved once the yacht is in quieter conditions.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
> On 2017-10-04, 1:55 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Rod Symmes via
> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> So - can I extrapolate from this that kinder than flaking or stuffing
> would be rolling it up on the foil because there would be no creasing ?
> (Assuming a good sunshade edge, of course )
>
>
> Cheers, Rod
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
> Date:04-10-2017 12:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Michael , George Dinwiddie via Public-List
> Cc: Gordon Laco
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reefing/furling
>
> Hello Michael –
>
> In my wooden boat days, I used to punish my genoa for a bad race by
> stuffing it, and reward it for a good race by folding it...
>
> I’ve heard the folding vs stuffing debate too, and reckon the
> stuffing-may-be-better theory is debunked... folding generally considered
> by the industry as better for sail longevity.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
> On 2017-10-04, 12:32 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Michael via
> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> There is an argument that flaking, folding and rolling a sail after
> every use is more harmful to it than just stuffing in the sailbag,
> the
> same crease more or less being constantly used.
> I compromise, stuffing during the season, and folding for winter
> storage.
> Also, I seem to recall the max dimension #1 Genoa for the Alberg
> works
> out to 163%. I had a #2 made with full luff and raised clew that
> worked
> out to 150%. It has become my go to cruising sail (I have a working
> jib
> for when things get really funky). The decksweeping feature of the
> #1
> must be a significant addition to total sail area-I have not
> calculated.
> Michael Grosh
> #220
> hanked on headsails
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "charles pleisse via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Cc: "charles pleisse" <velocharles1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: 10/4/2017 10:51:22 AM
> Subject: [Public-List] Reefing/furling
>
> >As for keeping the sail out of the water, I have a slight
> advantage as
> >my
> >#1 is a 150%*+* so it is a little smaller than many and it so old
> and
> >worn
> >that it is as compliant as tissue paper. I just untie the clue and
> >stuff
> >it in the bag as it comes down. When I get a new #1 I'm sure it
> will
> >be a
> >little greater challenge.
> >
> >Charles Pleisse
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