[Public-List] Replies

[Zachary Smith]

E-mail is designed to work this way. If you want it to work like a forum,
we should use a forum.

Zach

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 4:02 PM, The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Zach,
>
> I guess you missed my point, which is why I am leaving the rest of this
> exchange in this post, so you can get back a couple of messages and reread
> what I said.
>
> I was following up on what Stephen said—which was clearly complaining
> about having to sift through mounds of unnecessary text—and I was
> suggesting that we all do what George is suggesting we do, namely "NOT
> include the entire digest in your reply!”
>
> Clearly, what I had in mind is that we should try to be considerate and
> make sure we don’t burden future readers with unwanted text (and the way I
> read it, that’s what George and Stephen have in mind too).
>
> And I did point out that, as a bonus, deleting ourselves unnecessary text
> from our replies gave us control over what was kept or deleted, as opposed
> to that task being accomplished automatically. You had to do some serious
> editing to come to the conclusion that I am "just asking people to censor
> their messages for [my] convenience.”
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> By that logic, if I deem the entire thread as relevant context I can just
> leave it in my messages.
>
> So nobody needs to do anything different from what they're doing; you're
> just asking people to censor their messages for your convenience.
>
> Which from a human perspective, ain't gonna happen.
>
> An automated thing to remove duplicated text could conceivably work,
> notwithstanding the obvious potential for automated censorship.
>
> Zach
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:02 PM, The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> The problem is that, by not taking the time to manually delete what is no
>> longer relevant, you are making sure that people reading the new posts will
>> have to take the time to sift through mounds of useless material before
>> they get to what is sometimes a one-line reply.
>>
>> I think that manually deleting some of the contents being replied to is
>> better than having that deletion being handled automatically or by the
>> sysadmin. The people replying have control over what they wish to see
>> included in their reply and what they wish to see deleted.
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is, hitting reply on most email clients copies the contents
>> of the message being replied to. This chains into the long messages.
>>
>> You are asking people to take time to manually highlight and delete this
>> with every message.
>>
>> It'll never happen.
>>
>> A plugin for the list to eliminate duplicated text could be installed on
>> the site (or built). In theory anyway.
>>
>> Sysadmin thoughts?
>>
>> Zach
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:07 PM, The Rochets via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> George is right.
>>>
>>> The following text/suggestion/request:
>>> >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
>>> doesn’t seem to help but it should. It is clear enough and not very
>>> demanding.
>>>
>>> How about we all give it a try? It makes for much easier reading.
>>>
>>> Bernard
>>> Sunswept - 608
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:01 AM, public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Message: 7
>>> > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:01:45 -0400
>>> > From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org <mailto:
>>> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>>
>>> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:public-list at lists.albe
>>> rg30.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
>>> > Message-ID: <1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org
>>> <mailto:1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org>>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> >
>>> > Stephen,
>>> >
>>> > The mailing list (and website) is hosted on Dreamhost servers. I don't
>>> > have the access or control to do such things, like I did when I ran my
>>> > own server in a collocation facility. I also don't have the time to
>>> > maintain my own servers. I don't miss having to drive a half-hour away
>>> > at midnight to investigate why the server is down. (It was due to
>>> > air-conditioner failure at the collocation facility.)
>>> >
>>> > Every digest message includes the text:
>>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> >>> than "Re: Contents of Public-List digest..."
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
>>> >>> ======================================================
>>> > but it doesn't seem to help.
>>> >
>>> >  - George
>>>
>>
>>
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