[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4064, Issue 1
Mike Lehman
mlehman at gmail.com
Fri Aug 21 13:30:46 PDT 2020
YANMAR MARINE USA CORP.
101 INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY
ADAIRSVILLE, GA
30103
TELEPHONE
(770) 877-9894
FAX
770-877-7565
BSITE WWW.YANMARMARI
dvisory Number: MSA08-003
A:
DATE February 8, 2008 rs and OEMs
TO: All Marine Distributors, Deale Sailing
SUBJECT: Gear in Neutral WhileODELS: All Sailboat Engines
MWe continue to get questions regarding the correct gear position while
sailing with the
engine OFF. This advisory is issued as a reminder; Yanmar requires that if
sailing with
the engine OFF (not running) the transmission shifter must be in the
neutral position or
internal damage to the gear or sail-drive will result. This damage will not
be covered by
Yanmar’s Limited Warranty. Please instruct customers and dealers who
deliver the
sailboat to the customer, of the correct (Neutral) position for the marine
gear while
ailing.
sIf the customer desires that the propeller shaft not spin while sailing,
either a folding
propeller, shaft break, or other suitable device may be used. However,
Yanmar accepts
no responsibility for the selection, installation, or operation of such
devices. Please also
refer to Marine service advisory “MSA07-001_Yanmar Sail Drive Propeller
Selection” for
dditional information.
aIf you have any questions regarding this advisory please contact a
Customer Support
epresentative at (770) 877- 9894.
RWENE.COM
MSA08-003 Page 1 of 1 February 8, 2008
Mike Lehman
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 4:20 PM Daniel Swords via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Yanmar Service Advisory MDA-08-003. I have a photo of it but I don’t know
> how to paste it on this site.
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> 1. Re: Public-List Digest, Vol 4062, Issue 1 (Michael)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:37:12 +0000
> From: Michael <dickdurk at gmail.com>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4062, Issue 1
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> My 2 QM15 Yanmar uses a right hand wheel(clockwise). The issue I have
> with the description is Yanmar's recommendation to keep the trans in
> neutral under sail. I have not seen that. Larger gears (Twin Disc on
> Tugs specifically) do not want the wheels spinning without the main
> engine running. It's a pressurized lubrication issue.
> Paint a stripe on the shaft where the (2 bladed) prop is vertical and
> jam the shifter in FWD and sailing is optimized with no wear on gear
> bearings.
> 3 blade wheels are not possible to shield behind deadwood, but stopping
> their spin I would think is still desirable.
> Also, it seems to me by putting the gear in reverse when under sail
> means the hydraulic pressure encourages the engine to run backwards.
> Michael G
> #220
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Andrew Johns via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Cc: "Andrew Johns" <johnsab9 at gmail.com>
> Sent: 8/20/2020 12:27:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4062, Issue 1
>
> >Don,
> > I think the Yanmar has a reduction transmission, vs the A4 direct drive
> >one. The output on the transmission spins opposite of the crankshaft
> >rotation. Our Westerbeke is the same way.
> >
> >On the subject of free wheeling props we alway put ours in reverse to stop
> >the rotation. But I understand that is not recommended with some
> >transmissions.
> >
> >- Andrew
> >
> >On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> >public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hummmmm Interesting. Maybe Daniel Swords can elaborate on his comments.
> >> Don, would the prop work at all if turned in the reverse direction?
> >> Michael
> >> > On 08/20/2020 9:16 AM Don Campbell via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There is something fishy with this description because an A4 is a
> >> > clockwise rotation and the Yanmar is counterclockwise , so the props
> >> > should have different rotations on them.
> >> > Don
> >> >
> >> > ------ Original Message ------
> >> > From: "Daniel Swords via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >> > Cc: "Daniel Swords" <danielswords at yahoo.com>
> >> > Sent: 2020-08-19 6:22:11 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4062, Issue 1
> >> >
> >> > >I have a Yanmar 3YM20 with the original Atomic 4 two blade
> propeller.
> >> The PO had switched to a three blade propeller but I hated it so much
> that
> >> I paid to have the boat hauled out just to replace the three blade
> >> propeller with the original two blade. The three blade spun
> continuously
> >> even at very low sailing speeds if left in neutral as Yanmar recommends
> >> (the spinning was noisy and caused the tiller to shake), and if left in
> >> gear it would be nearly impossible to shift back into neutral to start
> the
> >> engine if the boat had any forward momentum at all. The two blade
> seems to
> >> park itself behind the keel (at least I never notice it spinning) and
> I am
> >> very pleased with the performance.
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > >
> >> > >Today's Topics:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Props and Fuel Returns. (charles pleisse)
> >> > > 2. Re: Props and Fuel Returns. (Andrew Johns)
> >> > > 3. Re: Props and Fuel Returns. (Michael Grosh)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > >Message: 1
> >> > >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:40:01 -0400
> >> > >From: charles pleisse <velocharles1 at gmail.com>
> >> > >To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >> > >Subject: [Public-List] Props and Fuel Returns.
> >> > >Message-ID:
> >> > > <
> >> CAGwh+2SKjYZXmmK7xoQF6LjKR1_0xaXs+J-VzhMFeW9zALZ1og at mail.gmail.com>
> >> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >> > >
> >> > >I have recently acquired a diesel to replace my atomic 4 and I am
> >> curious
> >> > >about the various propeller sizes being used with diesels in Alberg
> >> 30s. I
> >> > >am keen to hear feedback on propeller performance from those of you
> >> using 2
> >> > >blade propellers with a diesel. Along with your impressions of
> >> performance,
> >> > >It would be useful to know what engine you have, (maker and HP) and
> the
> >> > >pitch and diameter of your two blade propellers. There is a lot of
> >> help on
> >> > >line sizing propellers but nothing beats direct feedback on
> performance.
> >> > >Another concern with this repower is the fuel return. Since the
> >> existing
> >> > >engine is gas powered, there is currently no return. Nor is there
> any
> >> > >additional fixture on the tank to accommodate one. I was thinking
> it
> >> might
> >> > >work well to "T" it on the vent line nearest where it exits the
> tank.
> >> As a
> >> > >footnote, the vent opening is quite high inside the nearest
> stanchion.
> >> > >
> >> > >Charles Pleisse
> >> > >College Park Bicycles
> >> > >( <http://www.bike123.com>301)864-2211
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > >Message: 2
> >> > >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:15:34 -0400
> >> > >From: Andrew Johns <johnsab9 at gmail.com>
> >> > >To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >> > > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> > >Cc: charles pleisse <velocharles1 at gmail.com>
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Public-List] Props and Fuel Returns.
> >> > >Message-ID:
> >> > > <
> >> CAM5xwU7f_-9pkbkx7r-SFV55YkQC7+Eqns4+bT7OjQsJGZnsrQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >> > >
> >> > >Our return is "T" ed into the vent line at the tank with no issues.
> >> > >
> >> > >We have a fixed 3 blade 12X10 DJ355 Michigan Wheel prop. Freshly
> >> rebuilt
> >> > >18hp Westerbeke with a 2.05 ratio.
> >> > >
> >> > >On flat water max speed is 6.4 kts at 3200rpm (engine is governed to
> >> 3400).
> >> > >
> >> > >Typical cruise is 5.5 kts at 2500 we average around 1/2 gal per
> hour.
> >> > >
> >> > >Overall we are happy with the setup, I could probably go with a
> little
> >> more
> >> > >pitch and drop the RPMs at cruise a bit, but I would lose the extra
> >> power
> >> > >on the top end.
> >> > >
> >> > >- Andrew
> >> > >ECOLA #104
> >> > >Lake Champlain, VT (headed to the Chesapeake next week)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:50 AM charles pleisse via Public-List <
> >> > >public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I have recently acquired a diesel to replace my atomic 4 and I am
> >> curious
> >> > >> about the various propeller sizes being used with diesels in
> Alberg
> >> 30s. I
> >> > >> am keen to hear feedback on propeller performance from those of
> you
> >> using 2
> >> > >> blade propellers with a diesel. Along with your impressions of
> >> performance,
> >> > >> It would be useful to know what engine you have, (maker and HP)
> and
> >> the
> >> > >> pitch and diameter of your two blade propellers. There is a lot
> of
> >> help on
> >> > >> line sizing propellers but nothing beats direct feedback on
> >> performance.
> >> > >> Another concern with this repower is the fuel return. Since the
> >> existing
> >> > >> engine is gas powered, there is currently no return. Nor is
> there
> >> any
> >> > >> additional fixture on the tank to accommodate one. I was
> thinking
> >> it might
> >> > >> work well to "T" it on the vent line nearest where it exits the
> >> tank. As a
> >> > >> footnote, the vent opening is quite high inside the nearest
> >> stanchion.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Charles Pleisse
> >> > >> College Park Bicycles
> >> > >> ( <http://www.bike123.com>301)864-2211
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> These businesses support your Association:
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > >Message: 3
> >> > >Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:10:41 -0400
> >> > >From: Michael Grosh <dickdurk at gmail.com>
> >> > >To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >> > > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Public-List] Props and Fuel Returns.
> >> > >Message-ID:
> >> > > <
> >> CAO99GuFfag01G6s6bppVoFFjthg8KUjkAdqJq2Bshct6wfByTQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >> > >
> >> > >Checkmate has a 15 hp. diesel with 2:1 reduction gear. Swinging a
> 13 X
> >> 12
> >> > >2 blade, it all seems well matched. I don't have a tach, it seems
> like a
> >> > >fast idle drives the boat about 5 1/4 knots. Full ahead in calm
> water
> >> gives
> >> > >over 7 kts. but engine definately laboring at that power. Black
> exhaust
> >> and
> >> > >water discharge gets hot quickly.
> >> > >Michael G
> >> > >
> >> > >On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 12:00 charles pleisse via Public-List <
> >> > >public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I have recently acquired a diesel to replace my atomic 4 and I am
> >> curious
> >> > >> about the various propeller sizes being used with diesels in
> Alberg
> >> 30s. I
> >> > >> am keen to hear feedback on propeller performance from those of
> you
> >> using 2
> >> > >> blade propellers with a diesel. Along with your impressions of
> >> performance,
> >> > >> It would be useful to know what engine you have, (maker and HP)
> and
> >> the
> >> > >> pitch and diameter of your two blade propellers. There is a lot
> of
> >> help on
> >> > >> line sizing propellers but nothing beats direct feedback on
> >> performance.
> >> > >> Another concern with this repower is the fuel return. Since the
> >> existing
> >> > >> engine is gas powered, there is currently no return. Nor is
> there
> >> any
> >> > >> additional fixture on the tank to accommodate one. I was
> thinking
> >> it might
> >> > >> work well to "T" it on the vent line nearest where it exits the
> >> tank. As a
> >> > >> footnote, the vent opening is quite high inside the nearest
> >> stanchion.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Charles Pleisse
> >> > >> College Park Bicycles
> >> > >> ( <http://www.bike123.com>301)864-2211
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
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